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Old 10-21-2009, 01:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Couture/Machida would be GREAT matchup, and obviously a very good draw.

Machida/Shogun isn't exactly setting the box office on fire, so getting Randy in the mix isn't a bad idea at all, for fans or for the UFC coffers.
Dana has to be praying that Randy beats Vera.

It's certainly a bigger payday for the UFC that way. And the fact is Randy is a very dangerous fight for Machida.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Cuz he's old. But I agree.

As for Rampage, hell no. Why should he get a shot? He needs to prove himself. So far he's a Forest, Jardine level fighter, which is good, but not good enough. He needs to beat Rashad before getting a shot.
I'm not sure that saying he is in the same league as Jardine or Forrest is appropriate. Jackson is without a doubt in the top tier of fighters even with his recent hiatus. I'm not saying that he should get the title shot "IF" he comes back, IMO opinion the Evans fight has to be his first back. It makes the most sense as far as gauging who is atop in the LHW division. However, this is still a business and depending which fighters are available for the next title fight will determine which of the winners over the next few cards gets the shot at Machida/Rua.
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Couture will beat Vera, period. He may be old however IMO against Nog, who is a much more versatile and dangerous opponent than Vera will ever, he was able to put up a classic fight. Vera has looked unimpressive at 205. This win will give him the title shot, whoever that may be against, for one reason and one reason only, MONEY. This is a business and Couture/Machida or Couture/Rua sells more ppv's than any other fighter at this time. Is it fair? Probably not, but its certainly not Dana hanging on anyones nuts, its purely business.
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Couture will beat Vera, period. He may be old however IMO against Nog, who is a much more versatile and dangerous opponent than Vera will ever, he was able to put up a classic fight. Vera has looked unimpressive at 205. This win will give him the title shot, whoever that may be against, for one reason and one reason only, MONEY. This is a business and Couture/Machida or Couture/Rua sells more ppv's than any other fighter at this time. Is it fair? Probably not, but its certainly not Dana hanging on anyones nuts, its purely business.
Its business but its also dana hanging on randy coutures nuts. Look at his track record..he's lost his belt and then gets another shot without a win(vitor belfort) or loses, wins one fight then gets a rematch (chuck liddell fight)..or he just jumps up to a division and gets a title shot (tim sylvia). Dana loves some fighters more than others..he wanted chuck to be champion again so bad after shoguns poor performance against coleman..he asks him to fight liddell at ufc97..too bad that didnt turn out as expected. Hell..the last two guys to fight liddell were basically sacrificial lambs (both underdogs) but instead they won and got title shots because im sure thats what was promised to chuck.
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I like randy couture but i dont get the whole "want" from fans to see him fight on main events..a 46 year old man on the decline of his career. I think randys "master gameplans" have always been overrated. I see machida stuffing most of randys attempts and dont htink he'll get far with his dirty boxing. If he gets machida to the ground..whats he going to do from there? I see it like couture vs nog 2 except very more lopsided.
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Its business but its also dana hanging on randy coutures nuts. Look at his track record..he's lost his belt and then gets another shot without a win(vitor belfort) or loses, wins one fight then gets a rematch (chuck liddell fight)..or he just jumps up to a division and gets a title shot (tim sylvia). Dana loves some fighters more than others..he wanted chuck to be champion again so bad after shoguns poor performance against coleman..he asks him to fight liddell at ufc97..too bad that didnt turn out as expected. Hell..the last two guys to fight liddell were basically sacrificial lambs (both underdogs) but instead they won and got title shots because im sure thats what was promised to chuck.
Regardless of how he feels about a fighter on a personal level, Couture and Liddell are two names that are gonna make money. Its only a 'natural' business decision to have the big names fighting for the belt. That being said, those days are coming to a close, ie Liddell, simply because the talent pool has gotten bigger and more people are familiar with more fighters as the mma popularity grows. I want to see the best fighters fight each other. Evans/Silva makes sense to me, Rua/Machida makes sense to me...after that in the LHW division, if Machida wins he has already beaten the rest of the top tier with exception to Jackson, who is making movies and Forrest, who has to regain some momentum. So why not Couture, he either puts on a good fight because that is what he does, or gets KO'd into retirement.
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Shogun already dominated Rampage, back when Rampage was in his prime.
I would say that Rampage is currently (or was depending on how he looks when/if he comes back) in his prime. I honestly believe that finally training with a proper camp has improved his game and I wouldn't call Shogun beating Rampage a lock at all. We all saw what he did to Wandy.
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I think that if you lose the belt, all you should have to do for another shot is win a fight over a top level opponent, or perhaps 2 against slightly lower level guys. Had Forrest beaten Anderson Silva, he would have deserved a shot. Rampage has already earned his shot. If Rashad beats Thiago, he should have another fight, against the Forrest/Tito winner. If he wins that, give him another shot. Giving Randy an automatic shot after beating Vera maybe isn't right but if that's the best fight available, hell...do it. Nobody thinks Shogun's the #1 contender right now after beating Chuck and barely out-breathing Coleman.

It's probably all moot anyway - I don't see anyone taking Machida anytime soon except maybe Anderson Silva. Every division has finally found their undisputed champion, the only possible exception being Brock. How the UFC handles this lack of contenders with a decent chance will be quite a test for them as a company and for MMA as a sport.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:47 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I would say that Rampage is currently (or was depending on how he looks when/if he comes back) in his prime. I honestly believe that finally training with a proper camp has improved his game and I wouldn't call Shogun beating Rampage a lock at all. We all saw what he did to Wandy.
I was going to say the same thing. Rampage, minus his mental problems, appears to be a better fighter now than he used to be.

I think the Hendo fight is a perfect example to prove this.
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I would say that Rampage is currently (or was depending on how he looks when/if he comes back) in his prime. I honestly believe that finally training with a proper camp has improved his game and I wouldn't call Shogun beating Rampage a lock at all. We all saw what he did to Wandy.
Shogun is much younger and basically a more well rounded fighter than Wanderlei ever was.

Shogun, like Rashad, would run CIRCLES around Rampage. Forrest and Jardine laid out the blueprint on how to beat Rampage. Unfortunately Jardine is flat footed and only has low kicks.
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Of course, but is it fair to Thiago/Rashad, Cane/Nogueira, Jones/Hamill? How does Randy just JUMP into the title bout?
this isnt anything new. Randy has been given titleshots all the time. All this guy has to do to get a titleshot is to win one fight. sometimes not even that. This has to be the only guy that can come of a loss and get a titleshot. Randy couture has defended his title successfully a total of 3 times and thats devided over 2 title runs. Its EXTREMELY annoying
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