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Old 10-23-2009, 01:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm of the popular camp that thinks Shogun will lose due to Machida picking him apart... It seems like it should be TOO EASY for Machida, yes?
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But I'm starting to have a funny feeling this fight has upset written all over it. Most people have already dismissed Shogun, and even Machida himself is talking about what he is going to do after he defends the belt 5 times. And while I'm sure Machida has the discipline and has properly game-planned for Shogun, it just irked me in a looking-past an opponent kinda way.

I just have this really funny feeling that yes, Machida will hit Shogun when Rua engages, but that Shogun will eat the exchange from Machida in order to deliver a flash ko.

Just a funny feeling -- no, I can't possibly qualify what would make me think Machida's chin will give since he hasn't been ko'd, yet alone hit! Just a hunch. That probably won't happen...
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I'm of the popular camp that thinks Shogun will lose due to Machida picking him apart... It seems like it should be TOO EASY for Machida, yes?
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But I'm starting to have a funny feeling this fight has upset written all over it. Most people have already dismissed Shogun, and even Machida himself is talking about what he is going to do after he defends the belt 5 times. And while I'm sure Machida has the discipline and has properly game-planned for Shogun, it just irked me in a looking-past an opponent kinda way.

I just have this really funny feeling that yes, Machida will hit Shogun when Rua engages, but that Shogun will eat the exchange from Machida in order to deliver a flash ko.

Just a funny feeling -- no, I can't possibly qualify what would make me think Machida's chin will give since he hasn't been ko'd, yet alone hit! Just a hunch. That probably won't happen...

As the resident Machida nut hugger of the forum, he has addressed this, stating its more important to him to defend the title now he has won it and his focus is totally on Shogun...

That said what you described above could happen....I just dont see it. I say that not from his nutts but just from an observational perspective....
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Contrary to popular belief, i think bull rushing Machida (or Silva) is prob a GREAT idea. I never understood this "style is tailor made" crap.... yea.... so to beat machida, you should just stand there and make him be the aggressor... right??? except.... he still wont.... so you will just stand there... awesome. I really think Machida loves when ppl do this, give him a min or 2 to get relaxed, find your timing and his range. I much rather a bullrush approach mixed with perhaps a surprising takedown (ppl forget Shogun is actually has a VERY good top ground game).

Machida has not been tested by a very experienced, devastating striker yet, im not guaranting victory for Shogun, but i like his chances, he has a style that could make Machida very uncomfortable from the opening bell, which i think is much better then what everybody else has done.... let him get comfortable and counter you to death.

I do like the "machida never ko'd" thing so how could Shogun possiblely KO him???? How many times has Shogun been KO'd before??? oh yea....
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It's surprising to see the former #1LHW have such poor odds against the current #1LHW. Just a testament to how mystifying Machida's style is. If I wanted to make the safe bet I would obviously pick Machida but I've got that "upset" feeling tingling away at the moment...Still picking Machida
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Contrary to popular belief, i think bull rushing Machida (or Silva) is prob a GREAT idea. I never understood this "style is tailor made" crap.... yea.... so to beat machida, you should just stand there and make him be the aggressor... right??? except.... he still wont.... so you will just stand there... awesome. I really think Machida loves when ppl do this, give him a min or 2 to get relaxed, find your timing and his range. I much rather a bullrush approach mixed with perhaps a surprising takedown (ppl forget Shogun is actually has a VERY good top ground game).

Machida has not been tested by a very experienced, devastating striker yet, im not guaranting victory for Shogun, but i like his chances, he has a style that could make Machida very uncomfortable from the opening bell, which i think is much better then what everybody else has done.... let him get comfortable and counter you to death.

I do like the "machida never ko'd" thing so how could Shogun possiblely KO him???? How many times has Shogun been KO'd before??? oh yea....


Did you watch the countdown dude? I ask because many of the questions and issues in terms of plan of attack from Shogun were addressed by Lyoto....It was a good watch...some of the things you mentioned are addressed by each fighter on the countdown.....
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I'm not shocked at those picks....just look at the odds for this fight. it's crazy.

If Shogun wins....i'm going to pee myself laughing at what is to come from the fans after.....then possibly drink that as a tribute to Machida.
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I'm not shocked at those picks....just look at the odds for this fight. it's crazy.

If Shogun wins....i'm going to pee myself laughing at what is to come from the fans after.....then possibly drink that as a tribute to Machida.
I've been saying the same thing. Machida is the heavy favorite for a reason but I don't think I could help but to laugh excessively if Shogun were to take the win decisively. Not at Machida's expense but just at the hilarity of the situation.
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Contrary to popular belief, i think bull rushing Machida (or Silva) is prob a GREAT idea. I never understood this "style is tailor made" crap.... yea.... so to beat machida, you should just stand there and make him be the aggressor... right??? except.... he still wont.... so you will just stand there... awesome. I really think Machida loves when ppl do this, give him a min or 2 to get relaxed, find your timing and his range. I much rather a bullrush approach mixed with perhaps a surprising takedown (ppl forget Shogun is actually has a VERY good top ground game).

Machida has not been tested by a very experienced, devastating striker yet, im not guaranting victory for Shogun, but i like his chances, he has a style that could make Machida very uncomfortable from the opening bell, which i think is much better then what everybody else has done.... let him get comfortable and counter you to death.

I do like the "machida never ko'd" thing so how could Shogun possiblely KO him???? How many times has Shogun been KO'd before??? oh yea....
Did you watch his fight against Sokky? Or against Thiago Silva? How about Rashad? Bull rushing is very obviously NOT the answer to Machida.

He hasn't been tested by an explosive striker with KO power? Both Thiago and Rashad were exactly that. Rashad is extremely athletic and has been KOing fools in his last fight. Thiago has had ONE decision in his entire career and that was very early on. Almost all of those wins come in the form of TKOs too, 11 out of 13 of them.

Thiago tried exactly what you're suggesting and got picked apart and destroyed in one round. Rashad played it cool and lasted a round and a half, and probably landed three times the strikes Thiago did.

The only answer to the Machida Riddle is to be better than him in every aspect of the game, which right now, no one is.
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yea t. silva and shogun are exactly alike... except shogun has actually fought ppl.... same goes for rashad, who isnt even really a true striker like shogun, he is a wrestler and forgot his roots (something i dont think will happen again). Shogun is a much different striker then T. Silva and his ground game is much better imo]

btw the most ridic "only way to beat machida" i have ever heard... yea, be better at machida karate then machida... good plan, can you be my coach?

shogun is better at muay thai then machida, i would also say bjj and his top game is more devastating.... but you are saying you have to be better at EVERYTHING to beat him... ppl make him out to be God, he will be beaten.

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So evolving from a pure wrestler to an MMArtist is forgetting your roots now? Wow... I'm glad you were here to inform me of that. Shogun hasn't beaten anyone of note since he could no longer stomp and kick people's heads on the ground. He got beat by Forrest before Forrest was half the fighter he is today, he beat a gassed, ancient Coleman and a Washed-Up Chuck who has been KO'd in 3 of his last 5 fights and he lost 4 of them. Shogun may pose a slight threat to Machida but he is simply not on his level at this point.

Also, my plan for beating Machida is thousands of times better than "U guyz shuld just bullrush him!" You at least have to be better than Machida standing to get past his striking, then you have to be able to hit the dude which not many people can even do, or you have to be better than him on the ground and after seeing his ground game against a well versed wrestler in Ortiz and his crazy game against Sokky, that's going to be very hard for Shogun to do.
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