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Old 10-26-2009, 05:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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After watching live, I was really shocked at the decision. After rewatching without the sound on, I thought Machida clearly won rounds 2/3, Shogun clearly won 4/5 and 1 was a tossup.
I don't understand how can it be helpful to watch the fight without the sound. You can't hear the "biased" commentators, but you can't hear the strikes too, which is VERY important when judging the fight.
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After watching live, I was really shocked at the decision. After rewatching without the sound on, I thought Machida clearly won rounds 2/3, Shogun clearly won 4/5 and 1 was a tossup.
This.. when I was watching it live the first time, I thought Shogun clearly took the fight, that was probably because he took 4 and 5 and that stayed in my mind.

But re-watching it, I totally agree with leifdawg, it was pretty damn close.
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It was a razor thin fight, very, very close. Probably the most competitive fight I've seen this year.

The rematch will be fun, and Machida will be ready for another war, although I'm sure he will do better since he will have had a lot of time to train for Shogun's kicks and timing.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If it was a 3 round fight than I can see Machida winning the fight, but it was a 5 round fight and Shogun in my eyes clearly won. Sound or no sound, if this would have gone to a 6th round Machida wouldn't have been able to continue. Only the first 3 rounds were competitive at all. Rounds 4 and 5 I cannot see how anyone would score it for Machida. Rounds 1-3 were close rounds, but when it comes to damage done, Shogun did more damage and landed more period. It seems to me that people are looking for excuses. Rampage/Forrest was a closer fight in my eyes than Machida/Shogun and Forrest won the decision. No way around it I believe Shogun won it. I don't think it's as close and people believe. This isn't a tit for tat judging, cause if you hit me with power shots and I hit you with rabbit punches and both are equal in number, does it make a difference? I think it does. Shogun hurt Machida, and I can't say the same the other way around. This comming from a MAJOR fan.

Funny shit is I kinda of always thought Shogun was a bit overratted, and felt that because knees on the ground and foot stomps weren't allowed that he wouldn't be as good as he was in pride. He proved me wrong.

I think the major shock that people are feeling is the fact that they believed Machida to be unbeatable. NO ONE IS UNBEATABLE, NOT MACHIDA, NOT FEDOR, NOT ANDERSON SILVA. I am still a Machida fan, as I will still be a AS and Fedor fan when they eventually lose.

Personally I think we need to give Machida credit for sucking it up and going down like a warrior. He needs our support, as does Shogun for losing a fight he should have won.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:51 PM   #15 (permalink)
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If it was a 3 round fight than I can see Machida winning the fight, but it was a 5 round fight and Shogun in my eyes clearly won. Sound or no sound, if this would have gone to a 6th round Machida wouldn't have been able to continue. Only the first 3 rounds were competitive at all. Rounds 4 and 5 I cannot see how anyone would score it for Machida. Rounds 1-3 were close rounds, but when it comes to damage done, Shogun did more damage and landed more period. It seems to me that people are looking for excuses. Rampage/Forrest was a closer fight in my eyes than Machida/Shogun and Forrest won the decision. No way around it I believe Shogun won it. I don't think it's as close and people believe. This isn't a tit for tat judging, cause if you hit me with power shots and I hit you with rabbit punches and both are equal in number, does it make a difference? I think it does. Shogun hurt Machida, and I can't say the same the other way around. This comming from a MAJOR fan.

Funny shit is I kinda of always thought Shogun was a bit overratted, and felt that because knees on the ground and foot stomps weren't allowed that he wouldn't be as good as he was in pride. He proved me wrong.

I think the major shock that people are feeling is the fact that they believed Machida to be unbeatable. NO ONE IS UNBEATABLE, NOT MACHIDA, NOT FEDOR, NOT ANDERSON SILVA. I am still a Machida fan, as I will still be a AS and Fedor fan when they eventually lose.

Personally I think we need to give Machida credit for sucking it up and going down like a warrior. He needs our support, as does Shogun for losing a fight he should have won.
Well, it's been a day since UFC 104, and quite a few people are watching the fight again, or even two more times or more, and coming to the conclusion that the fight was actually very close, and that it could have gone either way depending on personal judgement.

It's not an overwhelming "Shogun was robbed" scene as it was the night of the fight, it's alrady calming down as more and more watch the fight multiple times and are noticing that it was actually very close.
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It was a close fight, I mean it wasn't like Cain/Rothwell or anything. It was more of a stategic match that's for sure. But in my eyes, I think the leg shots caused the most damage of the fight. I truly feel that if it went on another round and Shogun hit Machida's legs any more that he would have gone down. I don't believe that Machida at any point of the fight had Shogun in trouble. All of the rounds that people are giving to Machida it could have gone the other way.

In otherwords I don't believe Machida clearly in a clean cut way won any of the rounds. When I don't believe anyone can dispute that Shogun won 4 and 5 convincingly. There were no rounds Machida won convincingly. All of the rounds that COULD have gone his way could have easily gone the other way. Shogun shut him down with the perfect game plan. He bascially eliminated Machida straight left with effecient blocking and slowed him down considerablely(sp?) with leg shots. Of course this is just my opinion.
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Shogun won. This time he'll actually finish in the rematch.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I agree with those who think Shogun won. I think he clearly won. Going in I thought that he had a chance because of his jaw. That dude has a head like a cinderblock. But Machida shouldn't feel bad about the boos. Just as he said, the decision was not his to be made. It was the judges who made the decision and that was who was getting booed. I don't think there are any MMA fans out there that hate Machida. It's not his fault there was a bad decision. What's he going to do, turn the belt down?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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again, how do you end a fight vs a guy that runs away from every real exchange?? lol the challenger has to take it from the running champion... the reason for the kicks was it was all he could get since machida wanted none of any real exchange.... i dont know what you watching besides that one flurry in the third (which ended with a biggest shot of the exchange, Shoguns big right that bkaced machida off) where did Machida try to end it?? you consider that knee trying to end it?? then how about the knees that made machidas ribs look like they were bleeding internally??

Again, more made up judging rules... the challenger has to try n end it?? lol, no, he has to win, by submission, KO or points... winning a decision is trying to win the fight, he was doing the most damage the only way machida and his runaway style allow, in and out quickly, with big leg shots, i dont know what else you want?? Its fair that he Shogun can control the fight but since he doesnt do his usual berserker leave himself at risk, which is esp dangerous against a guy like machida he doesnt win...


ill write it down, the only way judges will give a win over machida is if you fight dumb, leave yourself completely open to counters all match and risk losing a fight you are controlling.... sounds real fair

nobody wants to give Shogun the credit he deserves, AMAZING, this guy fights like Wandy most of the time, but he came in calm, composed and played machidas game and beat him at it, thats a true MMArtist, he adapted to his opponent, changed a style he has been famous for for years and used a completely different strategy to beat a very cunning and game opponent. He should be LAUDED for this, not scorned, if Wandy did the same ppls jaws would drop, changing your entire style to adjust to an unconvential fighter, and not only doing it well, pretty much beating an "unbeatable" opponenet with his own style, amazing and history making imo

When have you ever seen Machida change his style?? Never... he never comes out super aggressive, he always counters and backs up.... he couldnt adjust on the fly whatsoever to what Shogun was doing, but all i ever hear is about how he is one of the most intelligent, cunning fighters in the game.... i dont think Spider would take a leg beating while landing nothing and not adjust like that, it was shameful imo, he knows one style, if you beat him at it, he seems lost. Good thing his style allows him to not get KO'd or rocked since it invovles running from every big exchange unless you have signigigant advantage or land 1st.
Great Post! I still dont get the old boxing bullsh#t saying"you gotta take the belt from the champion"! What thats saying in fact is You have to do more than just win. Makes no sense at all. Im sure that comes from the real crooked days of boxing. Its not Liotos fault though, so I have nothing against him, I just know Shogun won that fight fair and square.
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It was a close fight, I mean it wasn't like Cain/Rothwell or anything. It was more of a stategic match that's for sure. But in my eyes, I think the leg shots caused the most damage of the fight. I truly feel that if it went on another round and Shogun hit Machida's legs any more that he would have gone down. I don't believe that Machida at any point of the fight had Shogun in trouble. All of the rounds that people are giving to Machida it could have gone the other way.

In otherwords I don't believe Machida clearly in a clean cut way won any of the rounds. When I don't believe anyone can dispute that Shogun won 4 and 5 convincingly. There were no rounds Machida won convincingly. All of the rounds that COULD have gone his way could have easily gone the other way. Shogun shut him down with the perfect game plan. He bascially eliminated Machida straight left with effecient blocking and slowed him down considerablely(sp?) with leg shots. Of course this is just my opinion.
I don't disagree. I see the fight being very technical and very close. The fight could have been scored either way, based on who is scoring the fight. This is one of those fights that people will always debate, but the whole "Shogun was robbed" bandwagon is dying as more and more people watch the fight. There are quite a few on this forum now that believe Machida could actually won the fight, and that it was very close, but not a robbery.

Many will believe Shogun won, and many will believe Machida won as more and more watch the fight again and see all the counters and all that.

Anywho, great fight, was not expecting such a good fight.
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