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post #21 of 72 (permalink) Old 10-27-2009, 11:38 AM
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Apparantly there are people that do believe he lost, and they are within the indusrty....
Peoples, is that you?
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SHO GUN WON THAT FIGHT HANDS DOWN...he has the right to be pissed, angry and say what ever the **** he wants.. he clearly won that fight infact i didnt even give machida 1 round only draws. now in the rematch i see sho gun being more aggressive but only to get knocked out by machida because machida will come way stronger and hungrier after this fight which he really lost, and for sho gun to put another performance like he did against machida will be hard.. i mean after all the ****in training sho gun did.. the hard hard hard work preparing for this fight and then actually accomplishing what he went out to do and BEAT MACHIDA... what no one said could be done... and then getting ROBBED.. its pretty discouraging... if shogun can bounce back from what happend he is truly a LEGEND.
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I have never seen Lyoto in that bad of a position he couldnt walk in the 5th and due to the respect of Machida's game Shogun still played it safe rather than letting go and perhaps catching a flash k/o.....

EDIT: Kind of an irresponsible statemnet considering the UFC has no control over the Judges, they cant even choose to not have a ref, at least i dont think they can, Dana in the post fight press semed like he couldnt stand Steve Mazzagatti, certainly didnt give me the impression he wanted him to ref any fights or that he approves of him as a ref, so if The UFC doesnt control that even, I dont see the connection to the Judges.....
Shogun had too much respect for Machida's game for sure there were times in the fight i though he was going to swarm all over him but then he kinda pulled back which was really disapointing. There is no doubt in my mind Shogun won the fight but it was very close and i guess not quite convincing enough to claim "robbery".

With the referee situation how have they stopped Big John reffing their fights because i though he was still doing events for Strike force and others so he should still be licensed? Or maybe i'm just confused
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Everyone knows who really won this fight. Dana knows, the people know, Shogun knows, Machida knows....We're not stupid here

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Everyone knows who really won this fight. Dana knows, the people know, Shogun knows, Machida knows....We're not stupid here
I respectfully disagree, if Rua had gas in the tank, he should have looked to TAKE that title not have it given to him by the judges. In Boxing and MMA, if you leave it to the judges there is always a risk of b/s...ask Roy Jones Jr.
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Shogun had too much respect for Machida's game for sure there were times in the fight i though he was going to swarm all over him but then he kinda pulled back which was really disapointing. There is no doubt in my mind Shogun won the fight but it was very close and i guess not quite convincing enough to claim "robbery".

With the referee situation how have they stopped Big John reffing their fights because i though he was still doing events for Strike force and others so he should still be licensed? Or maybe i'm just confused
There's actualy another thread on that topic, use the search top right of screen or click on new posts, it may still be there.

I was wondering the same thing, but didnt ask on the tread cuz there were, lets just say more post 104 threads than ever....
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Everyone knows who really won this fight. Dana knows, the people know, Shogun knows, Machida knows....We're not stupid here
Don't think you'll find much sympathy on this site. It seems to be quite pro-Machida for whatever reason. Right after the fight everyone agreed Shogun won, then everyone "rewatches" the fight 100 times and finally realizes that Machida actually won.

A friend of mine who's a shrink once told me "if people try hard enough they can convince themselves of just about anything". I think that's a little of what is going on here. You get all these people initially coming out saying "Shogun won, no doubt!" then all of a sudden one or two people come on and say "watch it again....turn off the sound, dim the lights, chew bubble gum and rub your head at the same time and you'll see that Machida really did win". Next thing you know it's like a trickle effect and one by one the Machida fans start chiming in..."oh yea, watched it again like you said and I was wrong, Shogun didn't beat his ass, Machida won...I only thought Shogun won because Joe Rogan told me he won".

Basically what I'm saying is there are a lot of Machida guys that want to hold on to whatever hope they can that they can "justify" him keeping that belt.
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Shogun stated that he knows lorenza and Dana knows he won. I dont think he would be accusing them of giving the victory to Lyoto when they all admited that Dana won. He is probably talking abnout the judges and also even though the UFC doesnt higher the judges its pretty silly for anyone to think that they dont have any sort of influence on them. Just my 2 cents anyway.

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