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Old 10-27-2009, 04:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The debate isn't about if Shogun won... the debate is about how the Judges could have possibly given this fight to Machida?!?!?
But according to you lot, EVERYBODY thought Shogun won. So there would be no debate... just a bunch of keyboard warriors oiling each other up and agreeing with each other. Thats not the case. There IS a debate. D.E.B.A.T.E. Two opposing views. You know what I mean? Good lord, you people.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Nope. You are wrong. Let me ask you this... if EVERYONE thought Shogun won, why is there still so much debate ringing around the internet? Surely if EVERYONE agreed there would be no debate, no? Maybe there are more than a few, FEW who disagree, hmm?
Yea...as was stated the outrage isnt over how close it was its over how close it WASNT. If there were 5 truly even rounds its understandable. But most fans, the media and the UFC PRESIDENT saw at LEAST 3 CLEAR rounds for Rua with 2 that COULD go either way.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yea...as was stated the outrage isnt over how close it was its over how close it WASNT. If there were 5 truly even rounds its understandable. But most fans, the media and the UFC PRESIDENT saw at LEAST 3 CLEAR rounds for Rua with 2 that COULD go either way.
You're obviously not listening to me so I'm going to get stoned and start being silly as it's far more fun...
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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So i suppose the whole audience that was live at the fight, who booed machida after the announcement of the decision, i supposse their opinion was swayed by the "american commentators" as well????

come on machida at least stay humble, that's all you got right now
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:34 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Shogun won the fight! It was close, but Shogun got the better of Lyoto. That is why there is going to be a rematch because everyone knows Shogun was robbed.

I like both fighters, but Shogun clearly won,no more excuse from Lyoto fans. He lost that fight, thats it!
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:37 PM   #26 (permalink)
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But according to you lot, EVERYBODY thought Shogun won. So there would be no debate... just a bunch of keyboard warriors oiling each other up and agreeing with each other. Thats not the case. There IS a debate. D.E.B.A.T.E. Two opposing views. You know what I mean? Good lord, you people.
The debate is in the ratio of 100:1 in regards to people who thought Shogun won to those who thought Lyoto won. And you Machida fans are delusional!!!
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:02 PM   #27 (permalink)
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90% of the community? All media outlets?

You need to take off your Shogun tinted specs.
Right...

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
ESPN: Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua

It was pretty much just those 3 judges and "handful" of biased Machida fans that scored the fight differently. :P
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:20 PM   #28 (permalink)
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when i first saw the fight, I thought shogun won 48-47, but afeer a second watch with the sound off, i saw machida clearly winning the 1st and second rounds and I also gave him the nod on the third. Tbh i dont undertand why everyone thinks its such a robery. Machida had the better combinations in the first three rounds and actuallyy avoided or countered a lot of shoguns offences
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:27 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Right...

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
ESPN: Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua

It was pretty much just those 3 judges and "handful" of biased Machida fans that scored the fight differently. :P
Honestly, I try to give the Machida supporters the benefit of the doubt but I really can't see anyway Machida won that fight. IMO shogun took every round but two of them were almost too close to call. Even then the most objective score I could give would be two 10-10 rounds and three rounds for Shogun.

And I'm not a Shogun fan by any means, or at least I wasn't until this fight. Since his UFC debut I've rooted against him in every fight except for the Griffin fight.

I don't want to call those who picked Machida as the winner "bias" because I don't want to generalize but I really don't see the argument for him winning .
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:15 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Not sure if this was posted but i did two different searches and couldnt find it. Man just when i started to like Lyoto he goes and ruins it. I cant actually believe that he thinks he even won the fight much less 4 rounds.
I think he's right. I don't think people realize how biased Joe's commentary was. Watching without sound was very enlightening. Most people who try it switch their decisions.

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Right...

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
ESPN: Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua

It was pretty much just those 3 judges and "handful" of biased Machida fans that scored the fight differently. :P
Actually, all the Sherdog guys, now say this was NOT a robbery. Breen admitted that every round could have gone either way and of those who thought Rua won, there was no consensus on the rounds. They are all now stating that all this talk about robbery is silly. So if you're going to use them as references, you may want to tell the entire story.

And don't forget aboout PRIDE huggery which is always a factor.

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