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Old 10-30-2009, 05:31 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I might have overlooked a few strikes, but Machida is backing up the whole time. Meaning the impact of those kicks and the punches as well, were lessed dramatically. That kick you seem to love so much would have probably would have knocked him off his feet if he hadn't already been back-pedaling. But he was so he didn't fall.

I'm not saying the shogun doesnt kick ass. He make Machida look the exact opposite of what all his fanboys have been claiming: some invincible messiah. If afew of those takedowns would have worked it would have been over on points. Of course thats assuming machida didn't make him tap like a bitch.

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Old 10-30-2009, 05:34 PM   #42 (permalink)
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See the biggest thing few people care about is that the Shogun may have dominated in the sheer number of connected attaks, but connected is not what counts EFFECTIVE is what counts to the judges.
And aside from the few jabs and a couple instinct driven hooks out of the clinch, the knees were the Shogun's only effective offense.
The fact that Machida was constantly on the run wasn't a bitch move. Machida Karateis based on Shotokan karate. And in shotokan the first response defense is to back the hell up, not curl up and tank hits, or block them. The fact is aside from the knees the Shogun did little that mattered. His takedown attempts looked infantile for christ sake.

Machida did damn good from a martial arts standpoint. But in the end he got cut up and the Shogun was only beet red. If you decide who wins by how bloody they are Shogun won. If you decide who won by total offense, Shogun won. But if you decide the winner by effect of hits and defense as well, Machida won.
If your martial arts scrolls says that significantly damaging your opponents leg by low kicks is not effective and therefore shouldn't count, you should reconsider your choice of sources.
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Old 10-30-2009, 05:40 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Of course thats assuming machida didn't make him tap like a bitch.
Riiiiiight, based on Machida's extensive history of two submissions, and one of those submissions being over a debut kick boxer who went on to a threatening career of 1 and 1.

He's like the half Japanese version of Helio Gracie this Machida guy. I want to see the Machida train come out on his next fight, but then again, I don't think anyone else could keep up with how fast he runs.

I'm quasi-kidding. Machida is legit, but this whole Machida tapping Shogun out like a bitch is about as serious as my last paragraph.
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Old 10-30-2009, 05:40 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Im not saying the leg kicks weren't effective. They were the most effective portion of his fighting. And thats strategic but aside from that the shogun's martial arts were ineffective. Aside from the occassional effective body kick or jab or hook. But when machida got his lazy ass in gear and actually attacked, he looked good. And his D made the shogun's attacks look weak

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Riiiiiight, based on Machida's extensive history of two submissions, and one of those submissions being over a debut kick boxer who went on to a career of 1 and 1.

He's like the half Japanese version of Helio Gracie this Machida guy.
Yeah. I'm talking about not only the UFC. Funny thing about MMA fighters. They occassionally fight before joining the UFC.
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Yeah. I'm talking about not only the UFC. Funny thing about MMA fighters. They occassionally fight before joining the UFC.
You're 100% correct, nonetheless, the guy had a dominating pro career of 1 and 1, and the plus one by decision.

My main point wasn't the veracity of the guy Lyoto tapped per se, it was in response to your comment that Lyoto was some submission beast when he's only had 2 submission victories, though his Red Karate tournament records remain a cloud of mystery, so I could be way off base.
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And aside from the few jabs and a couple instinct driven hooks out of the clinch, the knees were the Shogun's only effective offense.
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Im not saying the leg kicks weren't effective. They were the most effective portion of his fighting.
I just find these a tad funny to compare.
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It's very interesting to see how many Machida haters are coming out know after the Shogun fight
They finally have something to criticize! Enjoy this time it wont be to long^^
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Riiiiiight, based on Machida's extensive history of two submissions, and one of those submissions being over a debut kick boxer who went on to a threatening career of 1 and 1.

He's like the half Japanese version of Helio Gracie this Machida guy. I want to see the Machida train come out on his next fight, but then again, I don't think anyone else could keep up with how fast he runs.

I'm quasi-kidding. Machida is legit, but this whole Machida tapping Shogun out like a bitch is about as serious as my last paragraph.

I agree how the hell would machida Tap Shogun when Shogun couldnt get him to the ground once, or actually he did against the cage for 4 seconds then Machida got up....

Didnt Shogun say he didnt want the fight to go the ground thats why he didnt mind breaking clinch when he was against the cage with Lyoto....

Not sayin Lyoto would own Shogun on the ground but the sever lack of credit you do give to his groundgame is overstated....
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:31 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I dont have time to read this whole thread but I had to get on here and say that I really feel that Shogun won the fight. You did a good job of breaking it down by strikes but with round by round scoring I feel there is no way that Lyoto won. I really think Shogun got screwed and Im being unbiased here because I really didnt care who won this fight since I really like both guys. Nevertheless Shogun definatly deserves either a fight with Anderson or a rematch with Lyoto after that performance.
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