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Old 11-03-2009, 09:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I didn't like the stoppage but after this fight and the Kongo fight I definatly agree that Velasquez obviously punches like a grandmother.
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But cain has a decent chin he took two shots seconds apart that were KO punches.

OP I didn't like the stoppage but it wasn't horrible and he was taking a lot of punishment, if it would have been me I would have liked to see it go further.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:11 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Rothwell was just getting beat up anyway. It wasnt as close as he thought it was at all.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:13 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Big Ben WAS ROBBED, SCREWED, RAPED and MOLLESTED, then Steve jumped in and saved him thank goodness.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:55 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Big Ben WAS ROBBED, SCREWED, RAPED and MOLLESTED, then Steve jumped in and saved him thank goodness.
lol

He's talking rubbish - "I could have submitted him, I could have knocked him out" blah blah blah. He got his ass handed to him for the whole first round, Cain was all over him and the attacks were relentless and completely unanswered.

Why does a fighter have to be out cold or tapping the mat for it to be stopped? With the sort of mentality that Ben Rothwell has - that a fight should continue even if one fighter is taking consistent unanswered punishment, then it wont be long before someone gets put in a coma.

The simple fact is Ben, you didn't have an answer for Cain Velasquez, he's a better MMA fighter than you. He beat your ass down bad, the first round could have been a 10-8. You come out for the second and nothing has changed, you get taken down again and start getting the same treatment as the first round. Maybe if you had defended properly at times, tried some subs off your back etc then it wouldn't have got stopped.

As far as Steve was concerned it was going to be another 10 minutes of you getting thrown around the cage and punched in the face by Cain. So them punches didn't knock you out or cause a big cut on your forehead, you ever heard of brain damage? If you want to see what happens when fighters who have got good chins get continous punishment to the head without being knocked out then watch some boxing, and take note of the times fighters get carried out on stretchers. We don't want that shit in MMA, there has to be a limit. We want fighters running out of there like Forrest Griffin after getting KTFO. So whether you were still getting to your feet or not, you were still getting punched continously and then thrown back down.

I don't know why I just started addressing Ben, its not like he's reading this but f*ck it. It was a justified stoppage, I even thought it could have been stopped in the first. Why take unecessary punishment? With this 'those punches didn't hurt' mentality, people would get seriously hurt. Unanswered punishment is not being competitive, its called taking a beating and there has to be a limit to that for safety reasons.

He needs to accept he was outclassed and move on, he'll never be competitive at the top of the UFC's heavyweight division. Harsh, but true. Cain demonstrated why.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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lol

He's talking rubbish - "I could have submitted him, I could have knocked him out" blah blah blah. He got his ass handed to him for the whole first round, Cain was all over him and the attacks were relentless and completely unanswered.

Why does a fighter have to be out cold or tapping the mat for it to be stopped? With the sort of mentality that Ben Rothwell has - that a fight should continue even if one fighter is taking consistent unanswered punishment, then it wont be long before someone gets put in a coma.

The simple fact is Ben, you didn't have an answer for Cain Velasquez, he's a better MMA fighter than you. He beat your ass down bad, the first round could have been a 10-8. You come out for the second and nothing has changed, you get taken down again and start getting the same treatment as the first round. Maybe if you had defended properly at times, tried some subs off your back etc then it wouldn't have got stopped.

As far as Steve was concerned it was going to be another 10 minutes of you getting thrown around the cage and punched in the face by Cain. So them punches didn't knock you out or cause a big cut on your forehead, you ever heard of brain damage? If you want to see what happens when fighters who have got good chins get continous punishment to the head without being knocked out then watch some boxing, and take note of the times fighters get carried out on stretchers. We don't want that shit in MMA, there has to be a limit. We want fighters running out of there like Forrest Griffin after getting KTFO. So whether you were still getting to your feet or not, you were still getting punched continously and then thrown back down.

I don't know why I just started addressing Ben, its not like he's reading this but f*ck it. It was a justified stoppage, I even thought it could have been stopped in the first. Why take unecessary punishment? With this 'those punches didn't hurt' mentality, people would get seriously hurt. Unanswered punishment is not being competitive, its called taking a beating and there has to be a limit to that for safety reasons.

He needs to accept he was outclassed and move on, he'll never be competitive at the top of the UFC's heavyweight division. Harsh, but true. Cain demonstrated why.
Great post. It's paramount that the fighters are protected from themselves at times also. Just because a fighter doesn't want to quit doesn't mean the fight isn't over.

It brings to mind Mir v Sylvia. You could tell Tim didn't give a rats ass about his arm being snapped, he wanted to keep rolling. The common point in the 2 fights being the guy getting beat not only was losing emphaticly, but had sustained enough trauma to render the contest unfair/unsafe.

Some guys just won't quit, and while that's admirable it's an invitation for some real bad advertising for the company. I'm hesitant to be critical of stoppages because the ref is in a much better position than we are to assess the fighters conditions. I'm glad they keep safety as a high priority because it's in the fighters best interests, the fans best interests, and the sports.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The stoppage protected us the viewers from having to watch Cain v Kongo all over again. Which would have been dull.

Note I'm not saying Cain's booring or something, he's very dominant, he's just undersized. But I think Rothwell would have been ko'd eventually.
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:54 PM   #27 (permalink)
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You and BJ both brotha. We all know GSP vs Bj was stopped too early. Bj just started getting his shit together.

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**** off Ben, you got owned bro.

Oh yeah also... you are taking things away from Cain and doing it in a pathetic way.
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:55 PM   #28 (permalink)
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i don't know about crazy... he thinks he had a chance to come back. Of course he feels that way. At home, we all saw what we saw. A horrible stop to a one-sided affair.

crazy? no. Wrong about the state of the fight? Probably. I look forward to his return.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:01 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Without the terrible stoppage I think Rothwell catches him in the third after Cain gasses.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I don't see Ben ever getting a title shot.
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