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Old 12-21-2006, 05:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That is a valid point I never thought to look at, but the question still remains- why not drop no weight at all and fight at YOUR training wiehgt (emphasis on training, as it was established there is a difference between walkaround weight and training weight)?


It still defeats the purpose of weight classes, because we'll say fighter #1 walks at 144 and gains two pounds to fight in the 146-155 division (dont know if those number are accurate, but it keeps it within 15 pounds), and fighter #2 drops 25 pounds to barely hit 155, you're telling me the fight is going to have no fair/unfair advantage to fighter #2, who is now fighting at a 36 pound weight difference, but if there is then good for him because he was able to drop it?



Why NOT weigh fighters in on the same day to dissipate the practice for FEAR of malnourishment/dehydration?
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I understand winning, but to walk at 180 and be the proud champ of the 155 and under division is cowardly.
that's it right there! it's like with steroids, you're not competing in your natural state, so how can you take any joy from your success if it's not the real you? It's so stupid, and so idiotic. a fighter should have to fight at his natural weight (give or take 5 lbs. or so variations per weight class) and be totally natural. otherwise you're just a bumb!
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EXACTLY the point I'm trying to make. Wish I knew how to rep ppl because I would rep u right now...
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Training weight and walking weight is a good point, but I train year round so I guess I was considering that walking weight.

If one fighter dropped a lot of weight to fight what would his advantage be? Stronger? maybe, faster? doubtful, taller/longer reach? sure. But lots of people who train close to there fighting weight are quite Strong, fast, and some have excellent reach. I think a fighter who thinks he can drop a lot of weight and rule a weight class would be in for a surprise! I think Sean Sherk may be a good example. I think he is a great fighter but to say he will own any 155 pounder would be a little far-fetched
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanx....repped going back and repping the posts I've been wanting to rep.


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Were not talking about a fighter who drops weight coimng into a fight to make a weight class. Thats perfectly fine and see no problem with it.


The problem I and others have is the guy's that fight in a certain division when they really weigh much more.


For example Joe Riggs, if you were to weigh him right before he steps into the octogon he would weigh around 200 pounds and yet he is fighting in the 170 pound division. Thats just wrong and defeats the purpose of the divisions.


Now if you were to weigh him right before he steps in and he weighs 170 then that would be OK.


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I see what your getting at

But I find it hard to believe someone can put 30 pounds back on in a day! they might put some water weight back on, but nothing so drastic that it could give them a definitive edge.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:28 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I do see your point, about what kind of advantages dropping weight gives. When it somes to strength, it can make every difference in the world. Reach/distance? Maybe. Speed? Doubtful. Very true.


But in the case the advantages are not weighed accurately, why do so many people drop that weight?




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For example Joe Riggs, if you were to weigh him right before he steps into the octogon he would weigh around 200 pounds and yet he is fighting in the 170 pound division. Thats just wrong and defeats the purpose of the divisions.
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Riggs does not weigh anywhere near 200 on fight day when he weighs in at 170. I seriously doubt he weighs 200 any time in a year unless he is not fighting at all for a bit of time. Training alone will keep your weight down. Losing some weight to fight is no problem. If a guy is cutting 15-20 lbs in a day liek was mentioned, then they obvious don't know what they are doing. they will most likely be weaker than they should be and let them fight....they will most likely lose.

for whoever said something about a guy gaining a couple lbs to make a weight class and then complaining about him fighting a guy who had to lose 15 lbs.....rightfully so. if you can't hang with the bigger guys in the class, then don't fight in it. If you only weigh 144 and have to gain a couple lbs, I would say put some muscle on your scrawny body
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:20 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Haha, valid point...but if you gain a pound to get into that division ecpecting to fight someone at max 15 heavier than you, 32 seems kinda ridiculous...



And wrestlers are awesome at dropping weight. There's several techniques to do so and still have you energy, even at losing twenty pounds in a day. Bridger Bond, Kiefer Korver, and Scot Hamm would each attest to that.
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