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Old 11-08-2009, 11:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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To Toxic: Who did Sapp beat? He beat Ernesto Hoost TWICE. He pounded mercilessly on Nog until he got submitted in his third match ever. Who does that sound like?

Soko beat Lil Nog and Ricardo Arona in a row. Tito held the LHW belt for the longest time in UFC History and looked unbeatable. How do they look now?

Don't pretend for a second that Lesnar's career thus far doesn't remind you of Sapp, Tito, etc.

I had the rest of this typed but my internet lost it so I'll paraphrase

Lesnar's realistic wrestling background: Hasn't been involved in a wrestling tournament that was non-professional in a DECADE. Couldn't outgrapple Couture with a 50lb weight advantage. Hasn't faced any other wrestlers.

Someone said I hate Lesnar, I hate Lesnar because of his fans. At least Tito's fans knew they were wrong deep down. I don't mind watching Lesnar even when he's playing the heel.


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Old 11-08-2009, 11:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I like Brock and I like Fedor, I think Brock would have done better then Rogers did last night. Brock is powerful and can take some punches too. Once he is not sick anymore, you will see when he fights Carwin. Brock will put Carwin to rest and then after that if you don't think he is good then you never will.
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I like Brock and I like Fedor, I think Brock would have done better then Rogers did last night. Brock is powerful and can take some punches too. Once he is not sick anymore, you will see when he fights Carwin. Brock will put Carwin to rest and then after that if you don't think he is good then you never will.
Whoooaaaa buddy, save that stuff for another time.

Seriously that's a can of worms in an already contraversal thread.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Why are u comparing him to sapp/tito? I'm lost.

Is he improving? Well seeing as he lost the first fight to Mir, then beat him in the rematch and took the HW belt in the process. Yeah, I'd say he's improving. He beat two tough top 10 fighters, convincingly.

Couture never out-grappled him, go back and watch the fight. Sure, Randy could manuvere a bit, but Brock had control of that fight. He pushed him up against the fence and finished him.
Against Mir, he didn't just utilize wrist control. He used his whole body very effectively, he kept patient, picked his shots and kept his hips and body pressed against Mir, giving him no room to breath or actively look for a sub. Smart strategy, planned well.

He's improving, but it's just hard to really pick one moment where he improved. It's MMA, anything can happen, you have to be ready to adapt to it. No one could train MMA as much as he did, and not improve at all.
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To Toxic: Who did Sapp beat? He beat Ernesto Hoost TWICE. He pounded mercilessly on Nog until he got submitted in his third match ever. Who does that sound like?

Soko beat Lil Nog and Ricardo Arona in a row. Tito held the LHW belt for the longest time in UFC History and looked unbeatable. How do they look now?

Don't pretend for a second that Lesnar's career thus far doesn't remind you of Sapp, Tito, etc.

I had the rest of this typed but my internet lost it so I'll paraphrase

Lesnar's realistic wrestling background: Hasn't been involved in a wrestling tournament that was non-professional in a DECADE. Couldn't outgrapple Couture with a 50lb weight advantage. Hasn't faced any other wrestlers.

Someone said I hate Lesnar, I hate Lesnar because of his fans. At least Tito's fans knew they were wrong deep down. I don't mind watching Lesnar even when he's playing the heel.


I'll try to track down the rest of my post.
I'm done. Your blatantly obvious hate for Lesnar is really pushing this thread over the edge. You keep trying to prove that he's not legitimate, but all in all, Lesnar is the current UFC HW Champion. Does he deserve it? It doesn't matter what you think, he has it. He has fought, and defeated, everyone they've thrown infront of him since his debut loss to Mir, and he still can't catch a break.
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I'm done. Your blatantly obvious hate for Lesnar is really pushing this thread over the edge. You keep trying to prove that he's not legitimate, but all in all, Lesnar is the current UFC HW Champion. Does he deserve it? It doesn't matter what you think, he has it. He has fought, and defeated, everyone they've thrown infront of him since his debut loss to Mir, and he still can't catch a break.
This thread is about his fans thinking he's invincible and improving at an unprecedented rate. History shows us that this is not the case, and he is not the first of his kind.


Do you not agree? Does he not resemble Sapp's early career? Or Tito's? Sapp didn't have millions of UFC dollars backing him, of course, or the fame from professional wrestling.

I guess you're just on the train of people who think Lesnar will ground and pound everyone he's ever going to face?
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This thread is about his fans thinking he's invincible and improving at an unprecedented rate. History shows us that this is not the case, and he is not the first of his kind.


Do you not agree? Does he not resemble Sapp's early career? Or Tito's? Sapp didn't have millions of UFC dollars backing him, of course, or the fame from professional wrestling.

I guess you're just on the train of people who think Lesnar will ground and pound everyone he's ever going to face?
What? I stopped reading when you compared Brock Lesnar to Bob Sapp.
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Lesnar's realistic wrestling background: Hasn't been involved in a wrestling tournament that was non-professional in a DECADE. Couldn't outgrapple Couture with a 50lb weight advantage. Hasn't faced any other wrestlers.

Someone said I hate Lesnar, I hate Lesnar because of his fans. At least Tito's fans knew they were wrong deep down. I don't mind watching Lesnar even when he's playing the heel.


I'll try to track down the rest of my post.
Could you please go watch the Couture/Lesnar fight and please pinpoint the time when Lesnar fails to out grapple Randy for gods sake he took Randy down in the clinch, he took an Olympic alternate down in the clinch, he also managed to reverse a takedown attempt by Randy into a throw and thats all in the first 3 minutes of the fight, Brock is almost constantly in control for the first round, when does the part start when Brock isnt out grappling Randy?
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Lesnar has looked better with every fight. I don't know how that isn't obvious.
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