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Old 11-09-2009, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is StrikeForce's HW division better then the UFC's?

A while ago, before Fedor signed with SF it was the general consensus that the HW division was weak overall and that the UFC's was best only because it was weak everywhere else too. But with the addition of Fedor and the recent news (to me at least) that Andrei Arlovski is still a member of SF's HW division, is StrikeForce's division actually better?

StrikeForce HW's:

Fedor Emelianenko
Andrei Arlovski (?)
Brett Rogers
Alistair Overeem
Fabricio Werdum
Antonio Silva
Herschel Walker
Bobby Lashley(?)
Daniel Cormier
Mike Kyle

UFC's HW's:

Brock Lesnar
Shane Carwin
Cain Velasquez
Frank Mir
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Junior Dos Santos
Gabriel Gonzaga
Cheick Kongo
Mirko Cro Cop
Paul Buentello
Ben Rothwell

Obviously the UFC has more, I'm just not going to list them all. So the UFC has much more depth but in terms of quality I think it's perfectly arguable that StrikeForce have a better division. If we were to have a 5 on 5 UFC vs. SF with the right fights SF could win. Also I feel it's only a matter of time before Tim Sylvia and Jeff Monson are added to SF's Roster, who are both very credible fighters.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Rossen made a good point in his blog.

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Fabricio Werdum narrowly defeated Antonio Silva Saturday, but there’s nothing in his striking or jiu-jitsu that Emelianenko hasn’t seen and smothered before. In Strikeforce, only Alistair Overeem is intriguing enough to add something to his resume.
Kinda speaks to the depth of the division.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...ure-more-20807
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Rossen made a good point in his blog.



Kinda speaks to the depth of the division.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...ure-more-20807
And to the skill of Fedor. To say that a guy who is a BJJ master is nothing Fedor hasn't smothered before is really just talking to the amazing kind of talent that Fedor possesses.
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The UFC's is much better as a whole. While Strikeforce may have the king, the rest of the army isn't up to par. Rodgers is very one dimensional, I sneezed two days ago and knocked out Arlosvki, Werdum should still be in the UFC, Antonio Silva blows.
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The UFC's is much better as a whole. While Strikeforce may have the king, the rest of the army isn't up to par. Rodgers is very one dimensional, I sneezed two days ago and knocked out Arlosvki, Werdum should still be in the UFC, Antonio Silva blows.
This is a one-sided oversimplification. Rogers proved he wasnt one-dimensional when he got on top of fedor and landed several times right to fedor's face. how many people can you say have honestly done that?

To be fair to arlovski, the only people to knock him out in the past 5 years are rogers, fedor, and sylvia. that's not a list to sneeze at. he is still a top 5-10 HW. antonio silva proved himself in the eyes of many in his fight with werdum. while he can improve, he definitely has top-level striking and his cardio is very impressive. he stuck with werdum and took a round.

i think SF's and UFC's divisions are quite even, with a slight edge going to the UFC because thats where the money is. But i think if SF does some smart business moves in the next year and aquire some proven free agents (monson, sylvia) and add some young talent to their roster, we may well have a credible competitor to the UFC.
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Yeah I'm not so sure how well SF's Heavy weights would get on in the UFC. After all, some of them have been there already. The question about Overeem has been long standing, and he's the HW champ, but most agree Overeem probably wouldn't even be a contender in the UFC.
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This is a one-sided oversimplification. Rogers proved he wasnt one-dimensional when he got on top of fedor and landed several times right to fedor's face. how many people can you say have honestly done that?

To be fair to arlovski, the only people to knock him out in the past 5 years are rogers, fedor, and sylvia. that's not a list to sneeze at. he is still a top 5-10 HW. antonio silva proved himself in the eyes of many in his fight with werdum. while he can improve, he definitely has top-level striking and his cardio is very impressive. he stuck with werdum and took a round.

i think SF's and UFC's divisions are quite even, with a slight edge going to the UFC because thats where the money is. But i think if SF does some smart business moves in the next year and aquire some proven free agents (monson, sylvia) and add some young talent to their roster, we may well have a credible competitor to the UFC.
How does landing strikes on Fedor mean he wasn't one dimensional? The dude is huge, very strong, and a striker. But thats it. And his striking is very one dimensional and he left a lot of openings which is why Fedor was landing more strikes with a much smaller reach, and then eventually took his head off.

I actually really like AA and wish he would get his career on track, but come on, he really has a glass jaw.

Antonio Silva proved to me that hes a slow lumbering guy with large punches, but no authentic muay thai skills. Hes all hype.

Other than Fedor, I'd pick most of the UFC division to smash everyone on the SF list. Except that GG can't ever beat Werdum for some reason.
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The UFC's is much better as a whole. While Strikeforce may have the king, the rest of the army isn't up to par. Rodgers is very one dimensional, I sneezed two days ago and knocked out Arlosvki, Werdum should still be in the UFC, Antonio Silva blows.
Rodgers is one dimensional.


So are Lesnar and Cain. At least Rodgers gets people off their asses to do more than just throw bottles at a red-neck Minnesotan because he's the same douche bag everyone hated in high school. At least Rodgers has a punchers chance.


Lesnar is a predictable fighter. Tackle, take to the ground, lay down. Not hard to counter.

Cain is an inexperienced predictable fighter.

Carwin isn't amazing. Slightly better than Rodgers, possibly. Not much more though.


If you want to know the truth. The best HW that the UFC has is Big Nog.

What happened when Fedor saw him in his prime?
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Rossen made a good point in his blog.



Kinda speaks to the depth of the division.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...ure-more-20807
The only unanswered question in the ufc for Fedor is Brock everyone else is a easy win in my eyes.. So where is the "depth" there?
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Rogers didn't seem as one-dimensional in his fight with Fedor as people make him out to be.
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