Toxic

MMA Math means nothing, Randy tooled Sylvia for 5 rounds, Sylvia beat Nog right up till the minute he tapped. Im actually not a Lesar fan really he isn't even my favorite HW, (Jeff Monson is) Styles make fights and Nog has struggled against big guys with half Lesnar's athleticism, IMO history doesn't give Nog chance.

Hunt-Great Kickboxer mediocre MMA fighter, Lesnar would easily take him down and control him.

Coleman- Never that great and to be honest a less athletic less evolved version of what Lesnar is today.

Arona- To small,Arona's a great grappler but his MMA game has always relied heavily on control something he would never be able to do to somebody of Lesnar's size.

Nog and Cro Cop - Already been through those.

Arlovksi - Great hand speed just not sure he would be able to keep it standing, IMO the stiffest test.

Fujita - is at best a mediocre gate keeper who only made a name for himself in Japan because of his ties to Antonio Inoki, to even bring him up is laughable.

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M.C

I agree.

Brock has a lot of potential, but Fedor's competiton (Mirko, Nog) etc, were all in their prime and at the top of their game, and would most definitely wreck Brock's shit.

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Blitzz

Nog, possible. Cro Cop, doubtful; could he stuff a takedown?

420atalon

Who exactly has Cro Cop fought that he showed his great take down defense against? The best wrestlers he fought were Coleman, Randleman and Barnett. All of which don't have the wrestling ability or size of Lesnar. For the most part they decided to trade striking instead of actually just using their wrestling in those fights as well.

Another thing is that fighting in the ring it is alot harder to take your opponent down then it is in a cage. Cro Cop would allow himself to get pushed up against the ropes but the ropes because of their give make it difficult to pull your opponent down. In a cage I don't think Cro Cop in his prime stands a chance against Lesnar, he would be on his back the whole fight.

M.C

Simple answer - Yes, he could.

Brock isn't the end all and be all of takedown artists. He could barely get Randy down, who is much smaller and much older than he is. Also, Randy had Brock pinned against the cage a lot in that fight and even almost took Brock down. He took down Mir (big deal), and Herring (big deal).

I've yet to see any reason to think he could handle Mirko's TDD in his prime, especially to the extent that some are saying.

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wukkadb

CC was known for his excellent TDD. Like MC already stated, Mirko was very similar to Chuck with his TDD, but at HW instead of LHW.

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Toxic

MC you are ridiculously overating Cro Cops take down defense, Lesnar took Couture down from the clinch agaisnt the cage, Randy was an Olympic alternate in Greco Roman, his ability to defend that clinch takedown is miles ahead of absolutely anything Cro Cop ever had.

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khoveraki

Yeah I guess Brock's super-advanced technically polished unbelievable wrestling would let him beat anyone in the world, ever. No one ever could stop his take downs.


He won ONE NCAA a decade ago. He couldn't control Couture. He's only ever faced two other guys in the UFC and neither were wrestlers or had good TDD.


Unbelievable this Lesnar hype. This dude has faced FOUR people in his entire career.


Okay Toxic, burden of proof. What part of which Lesnar fight showed impressive take-downs? Which opponent had equally good wrestling as Coleman, Randleman, Lindland, or Nog that Lesnar was able to take down and control?

Which guy had as good of a sprawl as prime CroCop?

There's basically only three fights to look through, but take your time.

edit to counter Toxic's above post: You mean after five minutes, Lesnar was barely able to take down a 46 year old wrestler who had a 50lb disadvantage?

That couldn't be the same guy that Nog threw around like a ragdoll, could it?

Chileandude

So who finished Randy? I forget..

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420atalon

Some people need to rewatch the Lesnar Couture fight. Here is a link

http://www.endofregulation.com/play/...uture_11-15-08

See how easily Lesnar takes Couture down at 2:30? Or how he throws Couture off his back at 3:10?

Couture leans on Lesnar a fair bit but I honestly believe that is because Lesnar was respecting Couture too much and letting him do it. When he really tried he took Couture down with ease. When Couture was leaning on Lesnar there wasn't really any risk of anything except getting leanded on. When Couture nearly gets Lesnar to the ground he still couldn't do anything about it.