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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 11-11-2009, 01:13 PM
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post #32 of 36 (permalink) Old 11-11-2009, 01:15 PM
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put a ufc event on cbs and it would blow strikeforces ratings out of the water. cant wait to see what ufc 105 does in the ratings cause its free on spike.
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Originally Posted by DanTheJu View Post
It means very little to the UFC. The numbers were not that impressive! In the article quoted they failed to mention that OVERAL viewership for saturday night programing was down by almost HALF. Sure they had a big increase in the young male demographic (MMAs core audience) but not too impressive in numbers.

Kimbo/Roy still drew more viewers than Fedor ever has, and the Kimbo/Roy fight was on a SMALL cable channel!
Spike being a small channel is such a misconception. Spike is available in 98 Million of the approximately 110 Million homes in the US. That's just under 90%.

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No threat at all. It was all of the same people watching Strikeforce that watch UFC, just much less. It was on for free on a major channel that everyone has, It would be a huge failure if it didn't do this well for sure.

The quality of everything was just soooo bad (how many boom mic shots were there during this event?), they are light years away from having a tight enough show to be 5% of the UFC. PLUS I think they are bound to fail for as long as they use Jimmy Lennon jr. Strikeforce, in my opinion, is one giant cheese-fest which happened to come up with a totally relevant main card for once. More power to them for pulling it off and not having Fedor lose.
I thought it was a very well run show. 4 fights (including a 5-round decision, and no 1st round stoppages) and commercials in 2.5 hours. That's pretty damn smooth.

And saying that this was Strikeforce's only relevant card is amusing. Cyborg/Carano wasn't relevant? How about Mousasi/Babalu? Shields/Lawler? Melendez/Thomson? Strikeforce has a quality roster. It's not as big or as deep as the UFC's, but it's growing nicely.

And if it was all the same people that watch UFC, how come Strikeforce had 5.46M, and the UFC draws an average of 600-700k for a PPV, and a couple million for an average episode of TUF? Where did all the extra people come from?

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Did fans benefit when the NFL was two seperate leagues?? Or when the NHL was?? Wayne Gretzky started off in the WHA would we have been better off if they never merged with the NHL and we could just argue that he was the greatest??
You can't compare team sports to an individual sport. Combat sports are a much different animal. Obviously the first comparison to MMA should be Boxing. Say what you will about the current state of Boxing, the model of having no distinct major promotion has made it one of the most popular and recognized sports over the past 100 years.

A pro-league system which might be a better comparison would be golf. Golf exists with the PGA in North America as the main tour, but there are also feeder leagues and another major tour in the European tour, where many of the top players in the world play on a regular basis. I wouldn't mind a similar system for MMA... but that means the UFC would have to work with other promotions, and we know that's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Emericanaddict View Post
Not sure the numbers re correct ive heard from several other places (ill try to find a source) that it drew less the Kimbo vs Thompson did and that the channelsm regular progrmming produces higher drw than this fight card. I also heard tht though the peak viewing period was BEFORE the Fedor fight and people actully tuned out as the fight went later into the night (Meaning many viewers skipped out on the Fedor fight). Ill try to find a source but hey my source could be the incorrect one at the end of the day.
Where did those numbers come from? Everything I've read has pointed to the Fedor fight being the peak.

Did you read the article that only had the preliminary ratings, perchance? Because that article only looked at the ratings from 9-11, not the overrun time where Fedor's fight took place.

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Yea they may have a big draw, but it was on a non-pay per view. So they pay their fighters so much, but where is SF making their money to pay the fighters? That was their biggest two fighters they had on live tv not pay per view. They blow their lode all ready what else do they have to offer?
Advertising on CBS is extremely lucrative (not just the time bought on the network, but the spots purchased inside the Strikeforce broadccast). Also, PPV isn't the be all and end all of making money. Most sports survive without PPV, and MMA can too. In 10 years, we'll probably see networks bidding for the right to show MMA events, much like they do with the NFL or NBA rights now.
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You don't NEED it but it helps. I want to see the best fight the best. I can't do that when they are in separate orgs. Maybe it doesn't bother you that much but it bugs the hell out of me not to see Fedor fight UFC HW's.

Yeah, good old balls to the wall fighters like Shields doing anything to finish a guy....

Take the rose coloured glasses off, all the other orgs have snooze fests too.
I don't understand why you would want one global MMA company monopolizing the industry. Myself I think that would be the worst thing we could do. What happens if a fighter has two or three boring fights or loses three close decisions and gets cut? I understand if a fighter sucks and gets outclassed every time he fights but the UFC has a habit of cuttings guys they should not have cut. So I'm not down to having them run all MMA across the globe. Also I never said every fight in another organization is going to be an exciting one.

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I would have to say the Strikeforce threat to the UFC is significant if they can keep up the momentum. When it is on CBS and they have solid production and entertainment value they will quickly enjoy ‘word of mouth’ and advertising and are much more likely to get new viewers who don’t have the buy-in of a PPV.

The UFC productions are more polished but Strikeforce’s production value was just fine and I’m sure will improve with experience. I think they should definitely be more selective in their opening televised fight and get some ripped explosive fighters starting off the night.

And as big of a draw as Fedor is for MMA, he is only going to take Strikeforce so far and they need fighters to which people can relate. I think they try to make Fedor come across a bit as an enigma and that won’t last. Strikeforce needs to promote marketable fighters in the early stages of their production similar to how the UFC made Hughes, Chuck, Forrest, Franklin, into household names. They tried to do that with Kimbo but the reality is they need to diversify their investments.

I hope Strikeforce continues to be healthy competition for the UFC as competition will benefit the fighters and fans alike.
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Spike is a small channel, in terms of overal viewers. Doesnt matter how many homes it is availible in!

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