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post #91 of 140 (permalink) Old 11-18-2009, 02:38 AM
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I also wouldn't go so far so say he lays and prays. He's so damn strong that he does create activity on the ground, just nothing mind-blowing. I'd say the likes of Clay Guida or Gray Maynard lnp.

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I see nothing wrong in "taking the safe route" and dominating people with the tools that God has given to you.

Funny that people cry about a guy being too good.

I tend to simply sit and enjoy watching someone so skilled that he makes other skilled people look not so skilled. That's GSP baby.

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Dan Hardy has shown two sure things in the Octagon, He has KO power and he has one hell of chin. So to say that he is not worthy of fighting GSP is crazy IMO. I also I was beginning to get a little confused reading all of the posts so I'm not sure if I was reading correctly. It seemed to me that both GSP and Dan Hardy were mentioned as being underrated strikers. That's where the confussion sets in. Dan Hardy can bang, period. Just ask Quick Swick. Add to that, I think it has been a long time since GSP has been underrated on any aspect of his fight game. I'm certain that it has been well documented and reported how GSP continues to evolve as a fight in every facet of skill set. As far as the LNP perceptions, against Alves he had some serious abductor muscle issues and it was just a freak of nature that he was able to repeatedly take Alves down and maintain ground control, regardless of his wrestling skills and strength. BJ had to quit because he was wore down. I'm looking forward to this fight. Conventional wisdom says GSP mauls him, but I'm not feeding into that. I would also love to see this fight on the 109 card. I'm taking Hardy by a flash KO in the 2nd round.

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I wouldn't mind to see Dan Hardy fight GSP after all.
I still want him to beat a TOP 10 fighter before he gets a title shot.
I mean, i see it like this:
He beat Gono, wich is not top 20 material at WW. Rory Markham, not TOP 30. Marcus Davis, maybe (a big maybe) TOP 20 and Mike Swick, wich is not TOP 10 in my books.

Thats why i still want Hardy to fight a big name in this division to prove, without any doubt, that he deserves this title shot.
I would like to see him fight a powerful striker, like Daley, or a strong wrestler like Hughes or a dangerous BJJ guy like Thiago.
Just to see if he can mix it up.
If h gets past his next opponenent, i will be the first to scream: GIVE HARDY A TITLE SHOT !
Right now i am still not 100% convinced he earned it, but...if he gets it, fine with me.



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Mmmhmm, how many of those did he finish after the first Serra fight? Two, and no...the BJ Penn fight was not GSP finishing him from knock-out, technical knockout, submission, or doctor stoppage. It was from BJ exhausting himself so let's exclude the Penn fight from that little list. He finished Matt Serra and Matt Hughes, both of which at this day are not more skilled then Hardy is.

Just because on paper GSP looks to be the more dominant fighter does not mean he's going to "easily" get this fight stopped. He'll do what he normally does, use his athleticism and he'll use his superior wrestler to keep his opponent grounded to a decision. It was a cute attempt at sarcasm though, I'll give you that. Stubborn, but cute.

And Xerxes, I normally don't do fiesty little sig bets but just for fun I'll accept.
I'll be disappointed if he can't finish Hardy but come on, Alves and Fitch are - or at least should be - levels above Hardy. I can look past the Alves decision because he got injured during the fight and he battered Fitch for 5 rounds. He still finished BJ no matter how you want to call it.

If you look at Hardy's record, the dude has only finished one fight and got 2 splits in his UFC career against mid-level fighters. Aside from Hardy dazing GSP, he'll probably get finished within 3 rounds, probably by a submission.
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Did you really just say that?

GSP is the best striker in WW and would be one of the best strikers in MW. IMO.

He has beaten everyone on their feet minus Serra, in which he got rocked by a fluke punch... could happen to anyone

Since Serra, he has dominated everyone on their feet. Hughes, Alves, Serra, Fitch, penn, koscheck.
First of all I think its obvious I did say that although maybe if I was twelve it would help me understand why its at all perplexing to anyone.

Can I ask whats so impressive about beating Hughes's stand up? His striking is clearly not that impressive. Every fighter on you're golden oldies hit list is a F'N wrestler with the exception of Pen who lets be honest never was that impressive at welter weight to begin with.

Im not sure why anyone would come out and say he has the best hands in the division clearly he dose not. GSP sets up his takedowns with his striking and most of what he dose comes from a mix of good kicks and good hands but he's no KO artist and he doesn't just drop fighters with his overwhelming power. He knows his limitations and when the going gets rough the rough get a takedown, I have no issue with that myself.

We are talking about striking here not stoppages and most of his fights end on the ground were he is undoubtedly one of the best ever.

As far as hardy goes, did you see the Swick fight? He out boxed mike, he beat mike to the punch, he had quicker and more accurate strikes for most of the fight.

For a second lets put the massive power advantage a side. Mike Swick has his nickname for a reason, he's probably got the fastest hands at WW in the UFC Hardy however was able to dismantle his striking with accuracy, power and his own hand speed.

GSP hands are probably NOT much better if any than Swicks, he has better stand up but thats not just punching and I am talking specifically about punching.

GSP's kicking game IS much better than Hardys or Swicks but Im not that convinced he could win a stand up war with Hardy based off that.

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People bashing GSP have been pissing me off. He has one boring fight against Alves and people act like one of the most exciting fighters in the world is boring.


15 of his 21 fights have not gone the distance.
His decision over fitch got FOTN and was exciting
His split decision with penn was exciting

so now 17 of his 21 fights were exciting
I would argue that at least 19/21 were exciting.

Some people are so shortsighted
People playing from his sack piss me off, so I guess we are even? He's one of my favorit fighters and so far I have yet to see him be "bashed" in this thread. I know criticism is hard to read when you have his poster on the sealing above your bed but this is a MMA forum not a "Im in love with GSP" Forum so if you dont want to hear other peoples opinions of fighters dont read them, problem solved.

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I also wouldn't go so far so say he lays and prays. He's so damn strong that he does create activity on the ground, just nothing mind-blowing. I'd say the likes of Clay Guida or Gray Maynard lnp.

I gotta say I think GSP finishes him as well....but I no want in on the sig bet.....
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Meh, good fight ... GSP fighting a somewhat unorthodox and very effective striker with good TDD. It's not an edge of the seater, but until GSP moves up to fight Anderson, nothing will be. And this is MMA, anything can happen ... I'll buy any GSP card, as long as it has good supporting matchups.
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GSP by a unanimous descision

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Originally Posted by Alex_DeLarge View Post
He didn't really dominate Alves, Penn, Serra, or Koscheck standing up. He was getting better exchanges, but it wasn't in dominating fashion so please, quit excessively exaggerating there. More so in the wrestling department.

People are mainly critical of GSP because of his inability to finish fights..but it's not just that. He does it the safe route ever since the Serra fight. He uses his supreme athleticism to dominate his opponents in the wrestling department and has such a brilliant base that it's damn near impossible to shake him off..but he just grinds and grinds and doesn't really do much to finish the fight. In plain sight, there's nothing "wrong" with this and he knows it's not pleasing to some people so I give him credit for not caring what people think and if I were him, I'd continue doing it. But it is what it is. Don't get mad about it when it's just common knowledge.

Also, his fight with Fitch was exciting because it was pretty cool to see how smashed Fitch's face got inbetween rounds. His first fight with Penn wasn't all too exciting..mediocore at best and overrated. The most exciting aspect of that fight was to see if GSP could come back from an eye poke and shattered nose from a grazing upper cut...not that exciting. That definitely was a fight GSP needed to win on points because he surely wasn't winning anything else.
What's wrong with doing it the "safe route" and fighting smart?

Didn't AS (your favorite fighter) take the safe route when he avoided the ground with Thales Leites for 25mn and tried to keep it standing for as long as he could?

Why would GSP "stand and bang" with arguably the best striker in the division when AS refused to go to the ground with an opponent who has merely good BJJ?
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