no, i'm not confusing the topics at all. And the jury is not out either; the only confusion i can see is a difference in definitions of addiction. as hex rei stated, addiction is usually defined by most as how much damage it does to you and those around you even when you want to stop. On this note, have you ever seen a homeless, emaciated, smoker who prostitutes themselves so that they can afford a gigantic nicotine habit? I certainly haven't.
and secondly, addiction does in fact have a stringent set of definitions by which most researchers, professors and specialists in the area abide. I won't list them here unless absolutely necessary, but the point is that your post made false assumptions as well as statements.
Also, for the record, opiate (including heroin) withdrawals cannot kill you. I don't know why you assumed that. It's simply a fact. you may kill yourself, but they cannot kill you alone. the only withdrawals that can kill are the ones from substances that primarily stimulate GABA receptors - 2 of the most well known of these are gamma-hydroxybutyric acid and ethanol. (GHB AND booze)
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At no point during these posts that i have quoted did you state that this was purely your opinion. If people explain that you are incorrect, (and you are, because addiction is definable by most medical standards) don't fall back and say it's just your personal experience. You could have clarified that at the beginning, but instead, you trolled bullshit. so dont complain.
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First point true, second point false. Well, half false. yes there are studies; no they are not 'good'; if by good you mean largely recognised.
From what i've seen in this thread, many people are arguing over oranges and apples. One one side, people who say that in their experience, they have quit other drugs but they are still smokers. fine. that doesn't mean that's smoking is harder to quit.
All it means is that there are much more reasons to stop doing opiates/opioids then there are to stop smoking.
On the other side are the people who are paraphrasing the accepted medical point of view.
Unless you clarify that your post is representative of your opinion only, then please don't argue against the correctness of something when you are really only representing your own personal view.
Firstly, The jury is very much out on the this subject, the whole reason why we continue to see experts publish papers on these subjects.
Secondly, every 6.5 seconds a person is killed by smoking, and smoking related diseases and all their families are effected, people lose homes, cars, jobs, because of medical bills involved with smoking.
Lastly, Tell that to the more then half of the lung cancer patents who smoke and continue too even after finding out. Again smoking is a silent killer, because people think it has little or no effect on the day to day life, suddenly they are battling illness while their families watch helplessly. Addiction has a psychological component that needs to be addressed, we all think differently, grow up differently and so on. All of this plays a roll in our Addiction.
And everything i have said is backed up by hard data:
-In 2008, 453,000 Americans age 12 and older had abused heroin at least once in the year prior to being surveyed. Source: National Survey on Drug Use and Health (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration Web Site). The NIDA-funded 2008 Monitoring the Future Study showed that 0.9% of 8th graders, 0.8% of 10th graders, and 0.7% of 12th graders had abused heroin at least once in the year prior to being surveyed. Source: Monitoring the Future (University of Michigan Web Site)
-Addicts experience pain in the muscles and bones, diarrhea, chills, vomiting and insomnia. The worst of the symptoms of withdrawal occur 48 to 72 hours after taking the drug, and can linger
-Addicts who are in poor health are actually at risk of dying if the drug is taken away. However, a withdrawal is not as life-threatening or dangerous as barbiturate or alcohol withdrawal.
- 400 estimated deaths each year from heroin
In 2008, nearly 71 million Americans age 12 and older had used a tobacco product at least once in the month prior to being surveyed. Source: National Survey on Drug Use and Health (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration Web Site). The NIDA-funded 2008 Monitoring the Future Study showed that 6.8% of 8th graders, 12.3% of 10th graders, and 20.4% of 12th graders had used cigarettes and 3.5% of 8th graders, 5.0% of 10th graders, and 6.5% of 12th graders had used smokeless tobacco at least once in the month prior to being surveyed. And while rates of smoking have continued to decline to historically low levels the overall rate of smoking by Americans remains unacceptably high. Source: Monitoring the Future (University of Michigan Web Site)
-38,000 Americans died from second hand smoke
-90% of lung cancer patients are smokers
-443,000 people die a year from smoking in the US
- every 6.5 seconds a person dies from smoking worldwide