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Old 11-20-2009, 05:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Not quite. Silva's hype right now is at astronomical levels. I think his hype is so crazy right now, Silva believes he could actually beat RJJ. And boxing is part of MMA, grappling is not part of boxing.
Fine, then if RJJ lost a Muay Thai match. I just don't see it being relevant.

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If he loses, and in a very convincing way, it will affect his hype status. He'll stay in the top P4P but I think perhaps less people will put him at #1 P4P. There's no way it affects his actual rankings but it could definitely hurt his "legacy."
Maybe, I wouldn't take it into a consideration though. I don't think GSP's status would suffer if he lost wrestling in the Olympics. I don't think Fedor's P4P MMA status suffered much when he lost his first Sambo match. Most of the educated fans understood the difference and why the two should be considered separately.
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NOTHING would happen. It's a different sport. It's like asking if RJJ's career would be affected if he lost a grappling match.




Why, because he won by KO in less than two rounds and found it too easy? Because he was a BJJ black belt and felt those skills were going to waste in boxing? Are you aware that Anderson had fifteen MMA fights (including five Pride fights) before he did his one and only, completely dominant, boxing match?

If you ask me the reason he didn't keep boxing was because a year after his first match he was UFC MW champion, and his contract precluded further boxing gigs.
Did you see the sparring video in freddie roachs gym with Silva vs some total can boxer? Silva barely managed to get the better of him.RJJ would probably kill silva in the first round.
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NOTHING would happen. It's a different sport. It's like asking if RJJ's career would be affected if he lost a grappling match.
I respectfully disagree.

While RJJ doesn't have/take pride in his grappling ability, Silva takes pride in being one of the best strikers in MMA. I would go even to call him the flagship of UFC/MMA as far as striking goes. If a group of people is asked who MMA should send to represent the striking ability I guess the most popular answer would be Anderson.

This said, and to answer the title, I think if he loses the whole MMA loses some credibility as far as striking goes. It would be very easy for boxing fans to smash MMA if they actually had evidence of the best striker of MMA getting beat by a guy who ain't even the very best of what boxing can offer.

BUT...

IF Silva wins then he would definetly help MMA a LOT. After that the doubters and haters will be very, very quiet and tentative when it's time to debate against MMA.

So naturally I root and cheer for Silva with my whole heart despite not liking the idea because of the risks of it.
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I respectfully disagree.

While RJJ doesn't have/take pride in his grappling ability, Silva takes pride in being one of the best strikers in MMA. I would go even to call him the flagship of UFC/MMA as far as striking goes. If a group of people is asked who MMA should send to represent the striking ability I guess the most popular answer would be Anderson.

This said, and to answer the title, I think if he loses the whole MMA loses some credibility as far as striking goes. It would be very easy for boxing fans to smash MMA if they actually had evidence of the best striker of MMA getting beat by a guy who ain't even the very best of what boxing can offer.
And all I think an MMA fan would have to do is point out that in a Muay Thai fight Silva's clinch to knees would probably have Jones out in the first round, not to mention any fight with grappling involved. I mean you can keep boiling down and kernelizing, but it doesn't prove anything except that we are talking about different rulesets and thus different skillsets.

It's like how the best all-around baseball player probably isn't also the best homerun hitter.

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Did you see the sparring video in freddie roachs gym with Silva vs some total can boxer? Silva barely managed to get the better of him.RJJ would probably kill silva in the first round.
That was just casual sparring for an instructional video. Silva wasn't throwing hard and they were wearing head gear. There was nothing serious about that match and I don't consider it be very important in regard to how he might do if there were no headgear and he had a reasonable boxing-only training camp leading up.
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Damn, I hate this move by Anderson. He has alot of exciting fights with possibilities at LHW. Leaving MMA at this point.....it's a let down to alot of fans.
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And all I think an MMA fan would have to do is point out that in a Muay Thai fight Silva's clinch to knees would probably have Jones out in the first round, not to mention any fight with grappling involved. I mean you can keep boiling down and kernelizing, but it doesn't prove anything except that we are talking about different rulesets and thus different skillsets.

It's like how the best all-around baseball player probably isn't also the best homerun hitter.
True, but MMA is the young newcomer/rookie trying to prove it belongs to the group of seriously taken fight sports.

Boxing has been around forever and now that MMA is becoming more popular and its stocks are rising, the boxing people are trying to shoot it down by claiming that there is no skill involved in MMA.
Like in baseball, the veteran doesn't have to prove anything to the rookie, but the rookie must show its claws. Only then he will be taken seriously. MMA is the rookie, boxing the veteran.

We can go and say that playing by our rules most of the boxers wouldn't stand a chance. And it's true. But since they "got here first", we, and by we I mean MMA, need to prove them we must be taken seriously.

The only way to do it is to enter THEIR game and beat them with THEIR rules. That's just the way it goes.

And don't get me wrong, I agree with you that RJJ would get his ass kicked in muay thai or MMA, but I can't agree that Silva losing to RJJ in a boxing match simply wouldn't affect anything just because it's their ruleset ect.
Sorry but I'm a teeny bit of a realist
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umm. probably not much because I dont think many will think he will win. Plus its boxing not mma. What would people think if rjj lost to anderson in mma.....nothing
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RJJ is an overhyped boxer, and he's 40. Of course in a boxing match silva will lose, in any other match RJJ would die.

How about this, they have a good ole fashioned street fight. That's nobodys "game".
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umm. probably not much because I dont think many will think he will win. Plus its boxing not mma. What would people think if rjj lost to anderson in mma.....nothing
That's because boxers aren't expected to know crap about grappling or kicks.

Now MMA on the other hand claims that their fighters know the striking as good as anyone. They are yet to prove it.
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That's because boxers aren't expected to know crap about grappling or kicks.

Now MMA on the other hand claims that their fighters know the striking as good as anyone. They are yet to prove it.
Striking isn't just "boxing", you ignorant tard. MMA hosts many top kick boxers and muay thai specialists.
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