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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-21-2009, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
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Making Weight...c'mon

ok . should there be a grace factor in making weight in lbs.... ??
must be harder for some than others . there should be a lb limit .
in other words if someone comes in at 170 and another comes in at 175..
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Huh?


All fighters are their own responsibility... it's not any easier or harder for one body to cut water weight.

The grace factor is 1lb for nontitle fights and I believe
.5lb for title fights.

Coming in 5lbs over your opponent can be a HUGE, HUGE advantage. It may not seem like much, but here's a recent example:



Weighed 170lbs



Comes in at 174-176lbs.

It's a massive difference in actuality.
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I don't even understand what you mean, but I'm glad theyre hard on making weight. It's bs if a fighter can't make weight, go to a different weight class. Personally for me, I hate what Rumble does, and I think if he misses weight one more time a harsher punishment should be enforced or they tell him he has to move up. What is so fun about watching that guy beat up people half his size, its ridiculous because it's just a gift he has in being able to cut that weight, his body can handle it. Some people, no matter how they trained wouldn't be able to cut that much weight, and if they did they wouldn't be in good shape to fight.
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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-21-2009, 07:19 PM
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Let's make the grace here, 15 pounds for lightweights, 15 for welterweights, 20 for middleweights and let's say 60 for light heavyweights.

Thats how much you are allowed to be over your weightclass
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Huh?


All fighters are their own responsibility... it's not any easier or harder for one body to cut water weight.

The grace factor is 1lb for nontitle fights and I believe
.5lb for title fights.

Coming in 5lbs over your opponent can be a HUGE, HUGE advantage. It may not seem like much, but here's a recent example:



Weighed 170lbs




Comes in at 174-176lbs.

It's a massive difference in actuality.


Actually, its not that big of a difference. The only reason it was a massive difference was because Johnson came in 6 pounds over the weight limit PLUS added waterweight and whatever weight he accumilated after weigh ins. Normally if both guys come in the same weight, the difference won't be that big although there usually is a difference by fight night. The only exception is the heavyweights. A 5 pound difference isn't that great though unless it is pure muscle and in that case, we would all know and in that case I would agree with you.

Look at GSP vs. Thiago Alves for example. Alves was probably much heavier than GSP, but it didn't really look like it come fight time or make much of a difference.
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It would be kool if they had to make weight the morning of the fight?
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Huh?


All fighters are their own responsibility... it's not any easier or harder for one body to cut water weight.

The grace factor is 1lb for nontitle fights and I believe
.5lb for title fights.

Coming in 5lbs over your opponent can be a HUGE, HUGE advantage. It may not seem like much, but here's a recent example:



Weighed 170lbs



Comes in at 174-176lbs.

It's a massive difference in actuality.
I believe you were trying to show us a picture of Yoshiyuko Yoshida weighing it at 170 lbs and johnson weighing in at 175 ish. What you have in fact done is show us a picture of Okami weighing in at 185lbs and johnson weighing in at 175ish. Might want to change that before it gets embarressing.........
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I don't even understand what you mean, but I'm glad theyre hard on making weight. It's bs if a fighter can't make weight, go to a different weight class. Personally for me, I hate what Rumble does, and I think if he misses weight one more time a harsher punishment should be enforced or they tell him he has to move up. What is so fun about watching that guy beat up people half his size, its ridiculous because it's just a gift he has in being able to cut that weight, his body can handle it. Some people, no matter how they trained wouldn't be able to cut that much weight, and if they did they wouldn't be in good shape to fight.
how many times has rumble missed weight exactly? see a lot of posts about him being forced to move up to middleweight because of missing the weight cut vs. yoshida which was supposedly because of injury.

If he decided to train full time and stay at say 190 or 180 would it be that big a deal? if he can make 170 consistently then why move up when he can have size and strength advantage?

edit:just noticed that is okami, good catch brydon lol

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Isnt That Okami, who infact is a middleweight????
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I don't understand why a)they aren't given more than a 2 lb margin for error, and b) why so much of the issue of weight cutting is so frequently described as "part of the sport."


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