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Old 11-23-2009, 11:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I was hoping to rewatch the fight this morning but the damn DVR didn't record so I am SOL. Going on pure memory. WIth the scoring system as is, I have to say that I can understand a 30-27 score for Griffin. Octagon control was fairly even in the first two rounds and all Griffin in the third. Agression was equal in the first two rounds as well, and again the third was all Forrest. Ortiz shot twice in the first round, successful on the first which Forrest was able to escape via a kimora, which also happens to be a submission attempt. Tito also had a couple of take downs in the second round, which Griffin for the most part was able to either weather the storm and regain control by getting to his feet or flat out nulify the GnP from Tito by getting into a close guard. Aside from some scar tissue being opened wide by a vicious elbow, Griffin didn't take much damage from his back in the second round, the blood was flowing but I don't think he was hurt too bad. In this round Griffen landed slightly more strikes, so depending on how much you weigh in the takedowns,gives this round a toss up for either fighter, could have easily gone either way, perhaps even a 10-10 round. The third round is self explainatory, I think Ortiz might have had about 6 or 7 strikes while Griffin never stopped striking probably having close to 45 or so. I scored it 10-9, 9-10 and 10-8 at the time of the fight, Griffin wins 29-27.
This is exactly how i scored it. Forrest got round 1, Tito got round two, Forrest got round 3 with a possible 10-8.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The only reason why we COULD make a case for Tito winning the fight is because we have a flawed scoring system and judging criteria.

Tito really lost that fight clearly.
Yes but the inconsistency in judging is the reason. so many times the fighter who gets a couple of takedowns and GNP wins. using that criteria Tito won rd 1 and 2
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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WE WAS ROBBED...Main Event of Overhype....just give them both a loss for lack of effort/skill/conditioning....ok?

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I agree round two went to Tito and three to Forest but I dont see how you could justify a 10-8 third round, its not like Forest did something in the third round to out class or hurt Tito, Tito just gassed out and was so tired he didn't have the arms to throw a punch. Griffin was a class act in the interview after the fight, hell he even stuck up for Tito I like that.

Had the third round been competitive I think this thread would have a lot more opinions and spark a lot more debate with the community here. It would also gain a lot more validity.

Just to play Devil's advocate, go back and score each round. If you gave the first round to Tito then you IMO should have Tito winning the fight.

This is one of the issues with three rounds of fighting, I think we all know had this been a five round fight Tito would have been stopped one way or the other but because its a three round fight you can make a case that he did in fact out point forest if you feel he took the first round.

The 10 point must system becomes more flawed in mma the less rounds you have to apply it.

I laughed when Goldberg said you can never question Tito's conditioning when clearly for whatever reason you want to attribute it to, his conditioning was a huge factor in the last round and the poorest Ive ever seen out of him. After all this time Goldie proves he can still comfortably fit his shoe in his mouth with no problems whatsoever.... LOL.
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WE WAS ROBBED...Main Event of Overhype....just give them both a loss for lack of effort/skill/conditioning....ok?
Lack of effort? Skill? Ok I can see the conditioning part with Tito, but Seriously? Wow...
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WE WAS ROBBED...Main Event of Overhype....just give them both a loss for lack of effort/skill/conditioning....ok?
I agree it was not the most technical fight. You might want to go back to watching the WWE that way you're always guaranteed something dramatic and climatic in the last fifteen seconds of a fifty five minute main event........
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This is exactly how i scored it. Forrest got round 1, Tito got round two, Forrest got round 3 with a possible 10-8.
Agreed. Tito is a tool, which shows by his "robbed" comment. However, the judge that gave Forrest the fight at 30-27 is a moron... just like the judge that gave the fight to Tito 29-28.

Something needs to be done about MMA judging.
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I also had Tito winning the second and Forrest easily winning the 3rd. The first round really could have went either way IMO.

I still want to see a longer first round(8-10 minutes). What I would really like to see is scrapping the 10 point system and the judges just give their "vote" on who won the entire fight. I know it sounds a little corny but think about it. If you just watched that fight without thinking of who won "rounds" then Forrest won. When the rounds come into play it gets mucky. Or better yet fight until a KO, submission or a quitter! But I know that will never happen. Just my .02.

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WE WAS ROBBED...Main Event of Overhype....just give them both a loss for lack of effort/skill/conditioning....ok?
Really? Because that was actually a pretty good war. I apologize that no every fight in MMA ends in devastating knockout
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