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Old 11-23-2009, 04:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The round for round scoring system is so stupid. If this was a four round match Tito might have literally been killed. It looked like he was throwing the fight he was so dead in rd 3.
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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As Xerxes said back on the first page, to me it seemed the only way Tito could have won was due to the flawed scoring system.

When I was watching the fight I gave the first round to Forrest. Despite Tito getting a takedown and holding top position for a minute or two, he wasn't able to do any real damage with it. Forrest did a good job defending and managed to get up. The entire time they were standing in round one Forrest was landing the better shots.

Round two I gave to Tito because he secured an early takedown and did a good deal of damagea, including that nasty cut. Fron what I remember they spent most of that round on the ground and Tito pretty much ran the show.

Round three I was tempted to score 10-8 because Tito offered no offense at all while Forrest lit him up from all angles. Didn't he even nearly get a takedown on Tito? I don't completly remember but it was all Griffin there.

The only reason there's a SLIGHT contoversy about this is because Tito is riding the wave from the Shogun/Machida decision which was revived by the Couture/Vera decision. Tito only lives to create contoversy and this is how he's been able to stay in the spotlight for so long. He's still clinging to his title run as if being a champion in 03 matters in 2010.
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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No way!! A decision that almost every one agrees with. I thought I'd never see the day! IMHO Forrest definitely won. No arguments here. I'd elaborate further but I think the argument has already been made by some fine replies.
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:32 PM   #34 (permalink)
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The fans were robbed of a real main event worthy fight

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Old 11-23-2009, 08:22 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Apparently, Tito claims he was "robbed" in Saturday's fight.

Um, I'm sorry, but was he talking about a different fight? Yeah, he got some takedowns and landed a few elbows, but the majority of that fight consisted of Tito getting his face tenderized and blocking 0.0 per cent of punches thrown at him.

Am I missing something here? Should I rewatch the fight? I'm amazed it was even a split decision. Should've been unanimous 29-28 Griffin.
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Ok. I say this. If you Were hurt?? You Should Not have fought, Case Closed. You did though & You Lost, Stop blubbering about it, just like you did when Chuck & machida & rashad evans Beat You!!!! You're Not fighting Over the hill guys in the form of ken shamrock, 3X in a row any more....

So if you say yourf hurt. Stop Fighting, get healthy, then come back & give it a shot, Otherwise, Quit for good!!!!! Go find something else to do in MMA or Whatever you choose, but Please, Please, Stop blubbering & whining after every frigging loss, You sound like a cry baby & MMA fans are tired of you doing it...

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Old 11-23-2009, 09:54 PM   #36 (permalink)
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As Xerxes said back on the first page, to me it seemed the only way Tito could have won was due to the flawed scoring system.

When I was watching the fight I gave the first round to Forrest. Despite Tito getting a takedown and holding top position for a minute or two, he wasn't able to do any real damage with it. Forrest did a good job defending and managed to get up. The entire time they were standing in round one Forrest was landing the better shots.

Round two I gave to Tito because he secured an early takedown and did a good deal of damagea, including that nasty cut. Fron what I remember they spent most of that round on the ground and Tito pretty much ran the show.

Round three I was tempted to score 10-8 because Tito offered no offense at all while Forrest lit him up from all angles. Didn't he even nearly get a takedown on Tito? I don't completly remember but it was all Griffin there.

The only reason there's a SLIGHT contoversy about this is because Tito is riding the wave from the Shogun/Machida decision which was revived by the Couture/Vera decision. Tito only lives to create contoversy and this is how he's been able to stay in the spotlight for so long. He's still clinging to his title run as if being a champion in 03 matters in 2010.
Agree 100% While I see why people complain and have varying opinions it all comes down to what the Judge see's Round one I defiantly feel Forrest Landed the better strikes and while Tito got the take down Forrest defended well and attempted 2 submissions lackluster attempts but attempts and he controlled Tito on the cage.

Round 2 I give to Tito easily but Forrest cuts in almost every fight like wandy he needs to get that scar tissue taken care of so I don't give Tito big points for that even though it was a nice elbow he landed to open him up and the Judge who gave it 30-27 probably let Forrest steal it with his sweep and finish in half guard so even though i don't agree with him giving Forrest that round its not as absurd as many feel.

Round 3 Forrest dominated plain and simple even Tito said he was gassed and did nothing until the final 10 seconds and then just swung for the fences. If Tito does anything in the 3rd round maybe he steals the fight but after that round there was no question Forrest won and while i don't like Tito I think he did great say what you want the mans cardio is always outstanding but after 1 1/2 off what did we expect man put on a great fight against a top light-heavy weight so hats off to Tito..
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:09 PM   #37 (permalink)
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It was a close fight. I don't think it was a no brainer that Griffen won the fight. I scored it 29-28 for Forrest but round 1 was REALLY close. You could have given it to Tito and since Tito won round 2 in most people's opinion then a 29-28 for Tito isn't unreasonable. Round 3 was the only round in the fight that was undisputable.

People always seem to assume that if there are two close rounds that they split them. They don't, you can have a razor close fight be scored 30-27 for fighter A by one judge and 30-27 for fighter B by another if they have 3 really close rounds and the judge just happens to give all 3 of them to one fighter.
Perfectly said good sir. I had Forrest win all 3 rounds. Doesn mean i didn think it was close i thought the 1st and 2nd were close and Forrest I gave the 3rd obviously. Most say Tito won the second round cuz he took Forrest down twice but Forrest won the striking that round got up from the first td with no damage and tho he got cut he was only elbowed a couple of times on the second td and then swept tito and ended the round on top... I thought Tito was good the first 2 rounds but i didn think he won them.
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:26 PM   #38 (permalink)
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[quote=slapshot;1051092]I agree round two went to Tito and three to Forest but I dont see how you could justify a 10-8 third round, its not like Forest did something in the third round to out class or hurt Tito,

Gassed or not, Forrest landed 40 strikes compared to 5 that Tito landed. Complete domination of a round.
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Yes but the inconsistency in judging is the reason. so many times the fighter who gets a couple of takedowns and GNP wins. using that criteria Tito won rd 1 and 2
Not always.

If you get out-struck, get 1 TD but dont do much GnP, your opponent gets back up from under you and out strikes you some more before the ring bell, your not winning the round.

That's basically what happened in rd 1 of Tito/Forrest.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:12 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Yeah I just re-watched round 1 to make sure I didn't miss something and man after watching it again I find it even harder then before to see anyone give Tito that round. He was clearly out struck in the stand up Forrest landed good punches and some nice leg kick while Tito got the take-down they were on the ground for only about 45 seconds before Forrest got up and not much damage if any while they where down and Forrest also controlled the action when they clinched against the cage so I see it easy to give Forrest rd 1
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