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View Poll Results: Cain: Love or Hate??
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post #21 of 30 (permalink) Old 11-24-2009, 02:29 PM
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Ummmm... grabbing your leg grabbed before you fall down is still a take down isn't it? Cain took down Ben with every attempt. Just because it's less flashy than a thunderous double leg, it's still great technique.

OK, not to be rude, but perhaps reading my post and the post i was referring to will help (i bolded what i was responding to). A takedown is a takedown, I agree. However, he did not throw Ben around like ragdoll.

Again, like I clearly said... Cain did well (dominated the fight), but to say he threw Ben around is nonsense.
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OK, not to be rude, but perhaps reading my post and the post i was referring to will help (i bolded what i was responding to). A takedown is a takedown, I agree. However, he did not throw Ben around like ragdoll.

Again, like I clearly said... Cain did well (dominated the fight), but to say he threw Ben around is nonsense.
He picked him up off of the ground and dropped him on his ass multiple times without any problems at all. At no point did he struggle at all to take Ben down.
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He picked him up off of the ground and dropped him on his ass multiple times without any problems at all. At no point did he struggle at all to take Ben down.


I definitely dont remember him getting him down with "physical" ease. By that, I mean he didnt pick him up and slam him. You said he "tossed him around like a ragdoll". Most of his takedowns took time, with Ben trying to hobble (while one of his legs was locked up) toward the fence only to fall down. It's still a take down, but that's not getting slammed on your ars.

That would imply that he was literally picking him up and tossing him around to wherever he'd like him to go. In fact, he struggled to take him down (although, he still got him down). Also, he had a hard time keeping Ben down.

He was not physically (strength wise) overpowering in the Bed fight. Yes, he dominated him, but he never "tossed him around like a ragdoll". At what point was there a "ragdoll" like takedown?
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Enjoy wathching the guy fight. DOnt love him or hate him.

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Don't care. Guy just does what he does, says he's going out there to win and gives it his best. Can't hate that, and he doesn't exactly have the best personality so overall, don't care.

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I definitely dont remember him getting him down with "physical" ease. By that, I mean he didnt pick him up and slam him. You said he "tossed him around like a ragdoll". Most of his takedowns took time, with Ben trying to hobble (while one of his legs was locked up) toward the fence only to fall down. It's still a take down, but that's not getting slammed on your ars.

That would imply that he was literally picking him up and tossing him around to wherever he'd like him to go. In fact, he struggled to take him down (although, he still got him down). Also, he had a hard time keeping Ben down.

He was not physically (strength wise) overpowering in the Bed fight. Yes, he dominated him, but he never "tossed him around like a ragdoll". At what point was there a "ragdoll" like takedown?
Cain was easily over powering Big Ben, he might have not had a Hughes/Rampage type slam on him or anything but he had no difficulty taking him down at will

This comming from a Big Ben fan.
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Cain was easily over powering Big Ben, he might have not had a Hughes/Rampage type slam on him or anything but he had no difficulty taking him down at will

This comming from a Big Ben fan.
Ugh. I am so frustrated trying to explain. I was simply saying that he wasn't "thrown around like a ragdoll". but Yes, he took him down when he wanted to. I completely agree.
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Lol no it's pretty clear. He threw 'em around like a rag doll.
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post #29 of 30 (permalink) Old 11-26-2009, 09:04 AM Thread Starter
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There's a difference between throwing someone like a ragdoll and being 100% succesful on takedowns attempts.

If you throw someone like a Ragdoll it means that you go over your opponents TDD like its nothing and send him to the ground whenever and however you want.

Cain didn't do that on his last fight, his opponent defended and make a good struggle to avoid going down but ultimately Cain's wrestling proved superior, Ragdolls don't slow your takedown attempts.



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Let's see if we can get a couple more votes.



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