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Old 11-24-2009, 07:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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diego probably has the best chance to beat bj at 155, unfortunally i don't think he will
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think Diego's got a good chance. I would give him a 40% chance of winning. This isn't a boxing match, Penn as much as I love him has been known to get stuck if he can't bully someone. He's fighting a fearless Diego that's relentless with a strong chin, good striking (he might not be technical as BJ but he mixes it up more than BJ), has good sub defense, and has a longer reach (BJ won't jab away so easy like Sherk and Joe). Since the drop there hasn't been a point that Diego was ever in trouble. I still think BJ is at the moment an all around better fighter but I think Diego is alot more hungry than BJ and IMO is mentally stronger. By will alone, he'll be the hardest match for BJ in LW.

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Old 11-24-2009, 07:51 PM   #13 (permalink)

 
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It's MMA so anything is possible (see Serra, Matt), but I just can't see a way for Diego to logically win.

Standing: Diego is a brawler with very little in the way of technical striking. BJ is one of the most technical boxers in the division. If BJ has his jab going like he did in the Sherk fight it's going to be a long night for Diego. Also don't go looking for a lucky shot, BJ's chin is epic.

Wrestling: Diego's GnP is his best weapon unfortunately for him he has poor technique on his takedowns. Even worse news is BJ has arguably the best take down defense in MMA. BJ doesn't have great take downs, but he does a good job of using his striking and timing to setup the double leg.

Grappling: BJ has the best ground game in the division by far. He's never submitted anyone from the bottom, but I don't think that's from lack of ability. He rarely goes for subs from the bottom, he just uses his excellent guard to get back to his feet. Only 2 guys have really been able to keep BJ on the ground and they were arguably the 2 best top fighters in MMA history (Hughes and GSP).

So yes, this is MMA and anything can happen, but that doesn't change the fact that Diego is rightfully a big underdog.
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Sums it up nicely BJ is better at every aspect and being the bigger and stronger LW isn't gonna matter when your fighting a former WW champ, BJ handed beatdowns to bigger stronger fighters than Deigeo.
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Old 11-24-2009, 07:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't see anyone else taking on BJ at the moment. I think Diego is the best choice and he is such a tough guy. But i also think, that BJ is better in every singel dicipline. It's his devision, nobody will stop him there in the next couple of years.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:06 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I think Maynard probably has the best chance of anyone at beating Penn because he has the best takedowns in the division and is big and strong enough to possibly hold him down long enough to win a decision.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Penn's standup is WAY overrated. He hasn't really fought any high caliber strikers so far. He outboxed Sherk and Hughes mainly because both of them got pretty terrible reach and standup overall. Florian was winning the standup against him (not by much, but he was leading on points even though Penn wasn't getting hurt alot), GSP wrecked him standing & on ground, Pulver pretty much tooled him (on first fight, not much standup at all on second one) and many (including myself) thought Serra got screwed over by that decision against Penn too.
Yes his standup is solid, but he doesn't trow kicks and isn't as explosive as Diego is. Diego brings a whole new challenge to Penn as he can really test Penn standing and has good enough ground game and TDD to keep the fight standing unlike many who have become victims of Penn's jitsu.

With that being said though... I don't think Penn's jitsu is much better offensively than Diego's. Both rarely trow subs from bottom and on top position its mainly G&P or a simple RNC if the opponent gives them their back.
Defensively I admit Penn's guard is legendary and Im still mad at Sherk for not putting it at test. Sherk is pretty much known for his insane guard breaking skills (re: Florian fight for example) and the fact that he chose to stand with Penn pisses me off.
I agree we wont see Diego subbing Penn, but I do think Penn will get a run for his money standing, because Diego is more versatile and explosive than Penn. Im pretty sure Penn doesn't have the reach advantage either so we wont see him controlling Diego with his jab like he did against Sherk and Hughes (the above mentioned guys with low reach and bad stand up overall).

Should be good fight though, but no Diego wont be as easy fight as many Penn fans seem to think.
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How the hell can anyone think Kenny was winning the stand up? Everytime KenFlo tried to engage he paid hard and was sent retreating with his tail between rubber leg, BJ was destroying Kenny in the stand up, he also was beating GSP pretty convingly in there first fight.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:56 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Penn's standup is WAY overrated. He hasn't really fought any high caliber strikers so far. He outboxed Sherk and Hughes mainly because both of them got pretty terrible reach and standup overall. Florian was winning the standup against him (not by much, but he was leading on points even though Penn wasn't getting hurt alot), GSP wrecked him standing & on ground, Pulver pretty much tooled him (on first fight, not much standup at all on second one) and many (including myself) thought Serra got screwed over by that decision against Penn too.
Yes his standup is solid, but he doesn't trow kicks and isn't as explosive as Diego is. Diego brings a whole new challenge to Penn as he can really test Penn standing and has good enough ground game and TDD to keep the fight standing unlike many who have become victims of Penn's jitsu.
Yeah but GSP was really smart about it. He wrestled and clinched BJ for the first round to get blood in his shoulders and that limited his mobility and slowed down his boxing, that's why he recked him so bad. By the way, I didn't spot this myself I'm really not that smart to do that, I watched the fight again recently and he said it post fight.
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How the hell can anyone think Kenny was winning the stand up? Everytime KenFlo tried to engage he paid hard and was sent retreating with his tail between rubber leg, BJ was destroying Kenny in the stand up, he also was beating GSP pretty convingly in there first fight.
Bingo.

and GSP's face was like ground beef after round 1.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:03 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Diego has a chance unless he tries to box or grapple BJ. As long as he circles and dodges jabs, he'll do okay. But as soon as he stands and bangs with BJ, he will find himself unconcious because he is no match for BJs boxing. And as soon as he shoots in for a takedown, it will either be stuffed and end up with BJ on top or he will succeed and end up in BJs guard. Eitherway, he will find himself finished. I'm a fan of Sanchez's fighting style, don't care for him at all, but I like his aggressive, attacking style. But his style is what will get him rocked with a counter and finished on the ground.
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