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post #31 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 09:43 AM
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I'm not even a Penn fan, but he's more of a nightmare at 155 than The Nightmare. A focused 155 lb BJ Penn is devastating. I don't think he'll run through Sanchez, but I don't think Sanchez can take this one unless Penn makes a fatal mistake.

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post #32 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 09:46 AM
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I agree that people aren't giving Diego enough credit. Not to compare him to Hughes and GSP, but Sanchez does have one thing going for him -- size. Let's remember that he fought as high as 185 pounds. I think if he's worked on his takedown ability during his training and watched tape of GSP and Hughes taking Penn down, he has a chance to outmuscle Penn and toss him around.
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Your probably right I mean the diffrence between a guy who is a world champion black belt and another guy who is a brown belt shouldn't be that much should it?
Yes, because grappling credentials are directly related to effectiveness of one's "mma jitsu". Serra is one of the best pure grapplers in ufc, but his style (and at the moment his size, I want him at LW already T_T) offensively doesn't bring that good results at mma. His sub defense has perfect record though and I'll be shocked if we ever see Serra getting subbed in ufc unless he for some reason decides to do a catch weight fight with Mir, Nog or Maia.

Anyway my point was that offensively their styles are very similiar and you rarely see them toss subs other than RNC which is simple but effective sub to use after they pummel their opponents from top for a bit first and their opponents turn their backs at them. Penn is better at improving his position though because of his flexibility (he has done some crazy "oversteps" from half guard right into mount for example), but I stand by my comment that their offensive sub game is pretty much on comperable level.
Also the belt color means very little. GSP was a brown belt for a while because he thought he hadn't "earned" his black belt yet even though it was offered to him few times. Perhaps he was right about it from pure-grappling point of view, but on mma there was very few blackbelts who could actually outperform him on the ground and not just because of his wrestling advantage.

As I said though defensively Penn's guard is one of the best in business. He doesn't trow alot of subs or sweep attemps from bottom (neither does Diego), but he is incredible at reducing the damage specially when he gets that rubber guard set up.

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post #34 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 10:18 AM
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Your probably right I mean the diffrence between a guy who is a world champion black belt and another guy who is a brown belt shouldn't be that much should it?
Not strictly true. Diego did have a black belt under Greg Jackson, but decided to change to being coached pure BJJ (instead of Jackson's Gaidojutsu system) by legendary jiu jitsu competitor Saulo Ribeiro a few years back, starting completely from scratch in terms of belts. So although he's listed as a Brown belt officially, he really possesses the skills of a BJJ black belt. Not at the level of Penn, but he's not a typical brown belt.

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post #36 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 11:23 AM
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I like both these fighters so i am torn...if i were a BETTING man i would go with Diego Sanchez but honestly either...well nah f that I AM a betting man my money is on THE NIGHTMARE lol..
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post #37 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 11:24 AM
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I think Diego will make the fight interesting, with his 'anger face' and 'bull rushing' and 'yes'ing'.

Don't see him doing much more than that though. Maybe in the ater rounds if BJ's cardio goes (again, these days I don't see him gassing) he maybe able to secure a decent take down and TKO him, however even that's a long shot.

If Sanchez pulls it off, I'll be pretty shocked and give him nothing but praise. As of now though, I think BJ outclasses him in nearly ever facet of the game, and that'll show when they fight.

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I really don't think people are giving diego credit where credit is due either. BJ has fought tougher competition but Sanchez aint a joke.

BJ has a great chin, but he's still been stopped before. Diego hasn't been stopped, ever.

BJ has amazing skill, really something special, but Sanchez's work rate makes it incredibly difficult to utilize that.

BJ has great cardio, but Sanchez has better in my opinion. He works PERMANENTLY whether it's standing up, on top or off the bottom. The Guida fight was a gruelling 3 rounds and I reckon Sanchez could have gone at least one more, if not a full 5.

I think BJ will take it but I won't be suprised if Diego causes an upset.
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post #39 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 11:45 AM
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Whatever Diego does well, BJ does it better. On the paper BJ takes this, however Diego is not someone anyone should take lightly and neither should BJ. He brings explosiveness and if BJ can neutralize that, he should be able to tame that beast. I would also like to see how will Diego perform in the later rounds, assuming the fight goes that far.

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post #40 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 01:14 PM
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I'm actually favoring Diego in this fight. Penn's losses in the UFC are exclusive to elite wrestlers and I think Diego Sanchez will bring a very high level of wrestling to the fight. BJ isn't known for his decision wins and Diego has never been finished in his career.

Diego definitely should avoid boxing with BJ, but if makes it a fight and not a competition with BJ I think he could land a decision victory.
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