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Old 11-27-2009, 07:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dana blames Tito Effect for Henderson negotiations failing

http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.u...=3497&offset=0

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Dana White has posited an interesting theory on why Dan Henderson hasn’t had his proposed contract terms met by the UFC - he blames Tito Ortiz. The UFC president explained why during a recent appearance on MMA Junkie Radio.

“The shit that Dan came in and said in my office and what he wants, it's unrealistic, and he knows it. And it's basically based off of, ‘I heard this guy is making this’… basically, what everybody gets pissed off about is Tito,” he said.

“‘Oh, I heard Tito is making all this money, and Tito is this and that.’ And it's because Tito likes to go out there and stay stuff like that or somebody in his camp did. That’s how gets started,” White added. He also said Henderson “is in I-don't-want-to-make-a-deal mode” and has been unwilling to negotiate.

But in an optimistic - though unlikely - conclusion, White stated, “Doors are never closed…Never say never. Dan could call me tonight. Fedor could call on three-way with him. We could sign them both up tonight if they want to call.”

Henderson is thought to be looking for a pay-per-view cut similar to the percentages enjoyed by the UFC’s top draws such as Ortiz and Randy Couture. Interestingly, Ortiz’s purported earnings were a factor in negotiations between Couture and the UFC at the time when Couture attempted to ‘retire’ from his UFC contract in 2007.

With the UFC and Henderson unable to agree terms - Henderson has strongly denied he is looking to become the highest paid fighter in the organisation - it has been repeatedly speculated that he will find his way to Strikeforce. There has been contact with that organisation, but Henderson commands a wage that might put him out of the Californian company’s reach.
It must be hard for other fighters to stomach when obnoxious ( and more than a little entertaining ) fighters like Tito and Brock make the most cash.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's not fair that fighters get paid more for the show than their performance, so it's to be expected that some fighters will be unhappy. All this is now turning against the UFC, with fans getting turned off of it = less money. Instead of them focussing on the sport, they focus on the show and although it works for a short period of time, it's damaging in the long run.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Fighters will always get paid for how many butts they put in the paying seats. Never has to do with being great fighter. Sometimes people want to see great fighters and sometimes they just want to see the train wreck. Seems like Tito does not get a lot of respect for his fighting lately but we all talk about him and want to watch the fight he is in. It is like the Howard Stern effect-- Some listen because they like him and most do because they want to hear what he will do next.
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I think at the end of the day, ufc is a business. And although Tito may no longer be an elite fighter, its undeniable that he does draw fans.
Is this fair? well depends on how its viewed. At the end of the day, the fans are the ones that pay their salary. And if tito is what the fans want then he should be paid more.

This is always going to be true in all sports. I remember Isiah Thomas once said that Denis Rodman is the best self promoter in basketball. He was in detroit and san antonio and got paid like 3 million dollars. He goes to Chicago, dyes his hair, puts on a dress and did the same things on the court and he made 7 mil a year.
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Apparently Tito puts butts in seats, but I have no idea why. What's so exciting about him, apart from trying to guess what his next post fight excuse is going to be? I much prefer watching Hendo fight.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Apparently Tito puts butts in seats, but I have no idea why. What's so exciting about him, apart from trying to guess what his next post fight excuse is going to be? I much prefer watching Hendo fight.
you know what, its his personality. Its like michael jackson, you just can't stop paying attention to him... (too soon?)

Also I think people underestimate Tito's fighting ability. He's def no shogun, machida, or even a forest. But he is still a viable fighter. We can always expect what Tito will bring (for the good and the bad) and a win against Tito is still relevant. Beating Tito won't give you a title shot, but it def gets you on the right path. For example, if Bader was to beat Tito, I'd say it would solidify him as a contender.
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At the end of the day, they are just like the rest of us, they want to provide for there families. Why keep your options limited to one org? It's a business and business is nothing more then making money. I said this in the past, Dana is a business man first, and business means money.
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Well, Tito earning $250k win or lose is more than a little bollocks if you ask me. I thought Dana didnt like the way boxing done things? I thought he prided himself on the whole "you earn more the better you fight" bullshit. So many fighter s take more risks than they should searching for the win bonus and fight of the night. Tito getting his cut win-or-lose is boxing bullshit. Those fu*kers get paid even if they turn up looking like shit and get knocked out first 5 seconds.

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I think at the end of the day, ufc is a business. And although Tito may no longer be an elite fighter, its undeniable that he does draw fans.
Is this fair? well depends on how its viewed. At the end of the day, the fans are the ones that pay their salary. And if tito is what the fans want then he should be paid more.

This is always going to be true in all sports. I remember Isiah Thomas once said that Denis Rodman is the best self promoter in basketball. He was in detroit and san antonio and got paid like 3 million dollars. He goes to Chicago, dyes his hair, puts on a dress and did the same things on the court and he made 7 mil a year.
I have to disagree. The UFC is an MMA organization. Its first concern should be the sport of MMA. Just because Dana is a crook and chooses to turn the UFC into a circus doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do. Of course, I am talking about Dana's latest actions. Also, the sport of MMA is much younger and therefore has much more to lose from a faulty management than basketball, where there is more money involved and a more stable fanbase. Basketball still was about the sport, not Rodman's off court antics and hairstyles.

Welcome to MMAF though .
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I have to disagree. The UFC is an MMA organization. Its first concern should be the sport of MMA. Just because Dana is a crook and chooses to turn the UFC into a circus doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do. Of course, I am talking about Dana's latest actions. Also, the sport of MMA is much younger and therefore has much more to lose from a faulty management than basketball, where there is more money involved and a more stable fanbase. Basketball still was about the sport, not Rodman's off court antics and hairstyles.

Welcome to MMAF though .
yet as a basketball die hard fan, I have to disagree since the league intentionally eliminated rules like the hand check rule to allow my fellow canadian steve nash to ramp the score up to increase the casual fan base.
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