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View Poll Results: Who will win?
Machida via knockout 13 19.12%
Machida via submission 1 1.47%
Machida via decision 22 32.35%
Rua via knockout 20 29.41%
Rua via submission 2 2.94%
Rua via decision 10 14.71%
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post #31 of 61 (permalink) Old 11-28-2009, 11:09 AM
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Okay the way I saw the first fight, Shogun grew complacent and hesitant to engage (which is fair enough because he like the majority of us thought he was winning). Machida on the other hand was caught by surprise and really lagged off and seemingly lost heart in the final two rounds.

I have no idea where this "Machida is mentally stronger than Shogun" or "Machida is capable of brilliant game plans" (both paraphrased of course) is coming from. If your going to make a call like that at least provide some evidence or at least some justification.

What I can say with some confidence is that Shogun is a lot more experienced against elite calibur opponents. He has also shown that he is capable of taking Machida apart. Will the exposure of his cat in the bag ruin his chances of taking a rematch? Maybe. Personally I can't think of a way Machida can effectively nullify Shogun's leg kicks but maybe I'm just not thinking hard enough.
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Okay the way I saw the first fight, Shogun grew complacent and hesitant to engage (which is fair enough because he like the majority of us thought he was winning). Machida on the other hand was caught by surprise and really lagged off and seemingly lost heart in the final two rounds.

I have no idea where this "Machida is mentally stronger than Shogun" or "Machida is capable of brilliant game plans" (both paraphrased of course) is coming from. If your going to make a call like that at least provide some evidence or at least some justification.

What I can say with some confidence is that Shogun is a lot more experienced against elite calibur opponents. He has also shown that he is capable of taking Machida apart. Will the exposure of his cat in the bag ruin his chances of taking a rematch? Maybe. Personally I can't think of a way Machida can effectively nullify Shogun's leg kicks but maybe I'm just not thinking hard enough.
Yea i know it was obv that shogun looked better in this fight. But thats how it is, everybody has a bad day someday. And this just wasn't Lyoto's day. Happens!!! And in my opinion i also think, that Lyoto wasn't a 100% at this day. Something was wrong with him thats for sure. Just look back how he acted at the introduction. Such a face impression tells a lot.

Ok now i try to explain you why i consider Lyoto as the strongest mind in this Sport. So first of all his discipline is one or probably the best in MMA today. Second his confidence in his style and his power to be able to beat everybody. Third: I think nobodys lives fighting in such a way then he does, he loves to work out, this belt is his life! Fourth: He is always learning and wants to improve, never gives up and so on... i could show you a lot more aspects wich i think he is a superior to mostly everybody.
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Mate everyone is confident in their style and power, everyone learns and improves etc, these aren't things that separate a good fighter from a great fighter, these are the foundations for any fighter. I reckon Shogun will be more confident about the rematch than Machida will be.
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Of course every fighter has these attitudes. But i truly believe, that they are much more pronounced by (from) Lyoto.
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Fedor is the only fighter I know whose confidence, concentration and behavior are absolutely unmatched. For instance, if we need to truly understand fighter's emotional state, we'll have to see how he reacts before and after the fight. Fedor (and Mousasi) is so confident and absolutely sure of the outcome of his matches that he always acts like this is the ONE and ONLY way the fight could've gone. You can beat him, kick him, but all he cares about is "W". When someone starts to celebrate a victory (99.99% of all fighters), he automatically shows that the outcome in his mind prior to the fight was somewhat blurry and he wasn't 100% ready mentally to win and partially he was ready to lose. This is flaw, because that small amount of doubts can increase drastically during the fight when your opponent gets even a few moments of success. When it happens, it becomes much harder to maintain your emotional state and concentration, mentally and subconsciously you're already prepared to lose and your body starts acting accordingly. If you're 100% confident, you won't celebrate your victory because for you personally it was only a matter of time, nothing more. You don't have so much adrenalin. And the important part is that your opponents feels it on a subconscious level and gets frustrated, starts making mistakes and the fact that his few moments of success and his dangerous punches do not affect his opponent mentally makes him more vulnerable. We have seen a lot of times when one fighter starts to win rounds by points, but then loses via submission or knockout. It happened a lot during Fedor’s bouts in PRIDE and in the fight with Arlovski. By the way, Arlovski had that similar confidence once, but after the fights with Sylvia he lost it, we all could see that. Now, Machida and Rua mentally are not as nearly as strong as Fedor, but it seems to me that Lyoto's camp will work on that aspect seriously. It only happened because for the first time he was really close to losing. And when you lose once, it gets much easier to lose again. Shogun had that experience before, now Lyoto's turn.

But it only works when you have solid fighting skills, faith and absolute dedication, otherwise mental game won't save you.

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Thinking Machida is gonna KO a guy that never gets KO'd when he doesnt really have KO power is an even more profound mistake bordering on epic, not gonna happen and i see many ppl in the poll making that mistake.
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Lyoto ones said in an Interview after he won the titel against Rashad, that he had changed his training more based on strength. After he changed it, he Knocked out 2 of the best LHW fighters in the World. So i consider him to have a lot of power in his hands. He proved it already!

Thiago Silva and Rashad both had never been KO'd before

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Lyoto ones said in an Interview after he won the titel against Rashad, that he had changed his training more based on strength. After he changed it, he Knocked out 2 of the best LHW fighters in the World. So i consider him to have a lot of power in his hands. He proved it already!
lol keep telling yourself that as Rua brushes off every counter with his arms spread like an eagle all over again he doesnt have KO power, whether you want to believe it or not, that's not his game and you suddenly dont start lifting weights or w/e you think he is doing at age 31 and start KOing everybody. The T. Silva KO was more about positioning and his head bouncing off the mat. The Rashad KO was impressive, altho i dont know why Rashad keeps saying Machida hits like pillows??
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haha yea i know this pillow statement is in everybodys head. But again if you Knock-out 2 of the best LHW fighters in the world today, you definatly have KO Power. You can't say that he has no KO Power because he has proven it twice two fight's in a row against guys who have never been KO'd before.(Sorry for the repeat, but that's important).
And yes it is also been proven, that strenght training makes you stronger^^
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