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Old 11-29-2009, 01:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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It has nothing to do with M-1 and everything to do with Fedor. Fedor has been champion in SAMBO for God knows how long and SAMBO is like baseball to them. Fedor is one of the biggest sports stars in Russia, he carried the Olympic Torch for christ sake. Fedor fighting in MMA is akin to Michael Jordan, A.Rod or Tom Brady fighting MMA here in the states. He's a national hero over there man, it's got nothing to do with "what M-1 has done for MMA in Russia."

American's think their country is most important for the same reason almost every other person in every other country believes their country is most important, they live there and they support it. It's nothing to do with blind ignorance and everything to do with keeping ourselves afloat and defending our home. I'm sorry dude, but you come across very ignorant when you throw around statements like that. So what if Some American's can't find Iraq on a map, you'd be hard pressed to find an Iraqi who can point out where Colorado is on a map too.
Very level headed and intelligent post. + repped.


To the article posted, its a little strange how one moment Brock will never fight again and hes in a life threatening condition, then he has minor surgery and now hes just kicking back and relaxing. Thats a little fishy to me. I think they just wanted to milk it and try to get some sympathy to improve Lesnar's popularity.

Too all the people discrediting Dana White for the company to have been struggling awhile ago, well its not easy to build a sport and compete with Football, Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, Racing, and Pro Wrestling while those are on cable for free and you have to sell PPV's. They made a big investment to put TUF on the air, which was a risk vs reward decision. It worked out for the best and since then Dana has done a lot of great things for the UFC.
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Old 11-29-2009, 01:20 PM   #52 (permalink)
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What other countries has M-1 promoted in other than Russia, Japan and America?

The UFC now regularly promotes in the UK and Canada. They travel all over the states, they're going to Australia soon. They've been to Germany and Japan too...

Also, they can't put Brock on a plane to Russia because he's just had surgery for a life threatening illness and is currently recuperating.



It has nothing to do with M-1 and everything to do with Fedor. Fedor has been champion in SAMBO for God knows how long and SAMBO is like baseball to them. Fedor is one of the biggest sports stars in Russia, he carried the Olympic Torch for christ sake. Fedor fighting in MMA is akin to Michael Jordan, A.Rod or Tom Brady fighting MMA here in the states. He's a national hero over there man, it's got nothing to do with "what M-1 has done for MMA in Russia."

American's think their country is most important for the same reason almost every other person in every other country believes their country is most important, they live there and they support it. It's nothing to do with blind ignorance and everything to do with keeping ourselves afloat and defending our home. I'm sorry dude, but you come across very ignorant when you throw around statements like that. So what if Some American's can't find Iraq on a map, you'd be hard pressed to find an Iraqi who can point out where Colorado is on a map too.
Great response to that map quote.
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:26 PM   #53 (permalink)
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What other countries has M-1 promoted in other than Russia, Japan and America?

The UFC now regularly promotes in the UK and Canada. They travel all over the states, they're going to Australia soon. They've been to Germany and Japan too...
M1 global usually co promotes but they have had shows on in South Korea, Russia, Japan, Brasil, America, Ukraine, Dagestan and many other places around the globe. For many countries M1 is a more known company, UFC is really just America and the English speaking countries.

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It has nothing to do with M-1 and everything to do with Fedor. Fedor has been champion in SAMBO for God knows how long and SAMBO is like baseball to them. Fedor is one of the biggest sports stars in Russia, he carried the Olympic Torch for christ sake. Fedor fighting in MMA is akin to Michael Jordan, A.Rod or Tom Brady fighting MMA here in the states. He's a national hero over there man, it's got nothing to do with "what M-1 has done for MMA in Russia."
So again why does Dana keep insisting that Fedor go to America and sign up with the UFC, why does he persist in insulting Fedor? The UFC's HW rank has been battered and their best challenger only has a 4-1 record. Its not up to the champion to chase the challenger but for the challenger to chase the champion. Brock or any top UFC fighter that wants to fight Fedor should shut the h3ll up and sign with strikeforce.


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American's think their country is most important for the same reason almost every other person in every other country believes their country is most important, they live there and they support it. It's nothing to do with blind ignorance and everything to do with keeping ourselves afloat and defending our home. I'm sorry dude, but you come across very ignorant when you throw around statements like that. So what if Some American's can't find Iraq on a map, you'd be hard pressed to find an Iraqi who can point out where Colorado is on a map too.
Have you ever wondered why the rest of the world hates America? Try to conduct yourself in a civil manner, respect other cultures, and try to be more open to other countries. Its ok to be patriotic but try not to discount other countries achievements.

Its good practice to know as much of a country as possible before attacking it and killing its civilians (innocent or not).
My point exactly.
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:46 PM   #55 (permalink)
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if m1 is so big and popular why can they only put on real international quality shows by co-promoting?? Maybe because they arent nearly as big and as popular as ppl are saying.... i've watched the lame m1 world challenge stuff on HDnet... poor production to poor commentating to mostly poor fighters.... = a crappy event (altho there's a couple fighters there i enjoy like Karl "Psycho" Amoussou).
What makes you think some of those people are not quality international fighters? Most of the ranked fighters western countries have are so biased towards fighters western audiances see. What I saw is a better quality show than some UFC cards.

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They simply cant put on big shows that will get millions of viewers or hundreds of thousands of PPV buyers.... they just arent that profitable which is why they try to leech of companies that are.
Again 6 million people watched the Fedor fight in Russia at 4am. How many can the UFC pull in at that same time?

M1 has been promoting fights in Asia and Europe and has succeded in having its shows broadcast on major free to air channels. M1 has promoted Fedor and this has obviously worked. Fedor is very popular man in Asia especially Korea and Japan where he attends major talk shows and entertainment shows, Fedor has presidential and high ranking political friends, Fedor also gets a very warm/large reception in many countries where he is regarded as a hero.

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As for this fighting for free.... Brock seems like the kinda guy that would fight for free if you insult him at a bar in backwoods Minnesota.

Fedor seems like the kind of guy who would fight for free if it was organized and properly reffed.
This is what makes these two different, Fedor has class and has the brains. Brock is just another muscle head full of himself. It doesnt help temper that ego when you have dana White on your side.



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Ppl believing M1 need to give their heads a shake tho.... they wont let Fedor fight for any company unless you give them half, but they are gonna let the biggest fight ever go for free?? How unlikely is that?? They need the $$.... UFC doesnt... what does the UFC really have to lose?? Do you really think the UFC goes broke if Brock lost a fight to Fedor?? M1 is the only company with something to lose.
Well Fedor does own 20% of the company. M1 is willing to co produce and co promote i.e. share in all the risks, costs and profits. This is fair. M1 has been able to work with many other promotion companies around the globe without a problem. Its the UFC that refuses to work with any other promotion companies.



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everybody who acts like Fedor is in the right needs to ask themselves this.... why is he the only fighter that deserves so many special concessions?? Where do you draw the line?? What will guys who already are a bigger draw $ wise then Fedor want in the future?? What happens when/if Fedor loses?? Is he still worth unprecended $ and 50% promotion?? Will somebody else step up and ask for the same deal (Anderson, GSP or Brock for example)??


This is where you and I, and where the UFC and M1 disagree. For me its not just about show, I dont want MMA to be run like WWE and dont want the belt to be given out to just anyone or to the popular fighter. I want the fighters to earn it and to prove themselves by fighting many fighters and if they loose then going back and fighting many other fighters before a rematch etc.I want MMA to be run like a proper SPORT.

What the UFC is doing now is going the entertainment route with a POPULAR 4-1 fighter. They might as well give Kimbo a shot at the belt, im sure he will rake in the PPV millions.
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Wasnt the 50% promotion thing only in certain regions? I'm sure I've seen some quotes from M-1 saying they never asked for world wide co-promotion. Only in their strong regions. This makes far more sense to me. Typical that Dana would take that 50% figure out of context and use it to make the Russians sound like criminals.

I could be wrong of course. I'm trying to dig up the quotes...
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Hooray! The biggest HW fight that can be made....and it's gonna be free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Won't happen, but kudos to Dana for saying he's down. M-1 was bluffing for sure. Fedor may fight for free, but M-1 needs a meal ticket.
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First: I can find any place on Earth on a map; the internet is great.

Second: The whole "the world hates America" bullshit is irrelevant.

As it relates to MMA, America is the driving force of the sport; both financially and in terms of promotion. If the sport was not popular in the States, you likely would not be on this message board. Would MMA exist? Sure. But definitely not in the context it currently does.
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Old 11-29-2009, 10:25 PM   #59 (permalink)
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American's think their country is most important for the same reason almost every other person in every other country believes their country is most important, they live there and they support it. It's nothing to do with blind ignorance and everything to do with keeping ourselves afloat and defending our home. I'm sorry dude, but you come across very ignorant when you throw around statements like that. So what if Some American's can't find Iraq on a map, you'd be hard pressed to find an Iraqi who can point out where Colorado is on a map too.
I know I am almost certainly playing with fire here. But you guys kinda do have a worlwide reputation for being ignorant. I see it demonstrated quite often on the forums. I am not saying your entire country is ignorant but you do seem to have your fair share of people that think America is the center of the universe and don't know or care about anyone / anywhere else.

That being said I work with lots of Americans and you guys are really cool, of course you have your fair share of the intelligent and educated crowd, which is almost certainly a major contributing factor to why you have been so successful over the years.

I just felt the need to pipe up and give his comments a bit of basis because he was / is going to get ultra flamed and probably didn't come across the right way, but I see the point he is making.
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American's think their country is most important for the same reason almost every other person in every other country believes their country is most important, they live there and they support it. It's nothing to do with blind ignorance and everything to do with keeping ourselves afloat and defending our home. I'm sorry dude, but you come across very ignorant when you throw around statements like that. So what if Some American's can't find Iraq on a map, you'd be hard pressed to find an Iraqi who can point out where Colorado is on a map too.
I know I am almost certainly playing with fire here. But you guys kinda do have a worlwide reputation for being ignorant. I see it demonstrated quite often on the forums. I am not saying your entire country is ignorant but you do seem to have your fair share of people that think America is the center of the universe and don't know or care about anyone / anywhere else.

That being said I work with lots of Americans and you guys are really cool, of course you have your fair share of the intelligent and educated crowd, which is almost certainly a major contributing factor to why you have been so successful over the years.

I just felt the need to pipe up and give his comments a bit of basis because he was / is going to get ultra flamed and probably didn't come across the right way, but I see the point he is making.

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