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Old 11-30-2009, 02:19 AM   #71 (permalink)
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This thread went from Dana responding to the M-1 "challenge" for a free fight between Brock and Fedor, to a USA vs. The World thread. Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm not sure why it had to go down like that. That being said, I stand by my original point when M-1 first came out with this, its nonsense. NO WAY this fight happens for free. As far as people not liking DW for his brashness, he is just a man from South Boston nad its part of the everyday vernacular there. A side note to this and him not being professional, he has cleaned up his language for the larger media outlets like ESPN, MSNBC, etc. who have had him on their respective shows more frequently as the mma/UFC popularity has grown here in the states. In regards to him being a liar and nothing he says has any weight to it, IMO he believes everything he states at the time he states it. That doesn't make him a liar, it makes him passionate about what he is reponsible for, himself and the UFC. In regards to the "he may never fight again" and now "he's resting comfortably" comments, people who don't know about diverticulitis need to do some research. If left untreated, can be life threatening and even though its a "minor surgery", part of the colon needs to be removed. Forgive me, but I don't find that minor at all. Recovery time, especially for an athlete engaged in physical contact is unknown, could be 6 omnths, could be years. I for one find it funny that this story came out originally AFTER Brock had been sidelined.

I would never beat against Fedor but I do think that 4 and 1 or not, Brock poses a huge challenge to him because of his size, strength and over all athleticism, which is why IMO people from the mma enthusiast to the average fan want to see this fight. One could only hope that Brock has a full and speedy recovery while the M-1 and UFC figure out how to make this happen.
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This is all about the hype train that is brock lesnar and his ignorant WWE fanboys. A guy with a 4-1 record who hasnt beat anyone worth a damn is an embarassment being even in the same sentence as a 31 - 1 HW prodigy like fedor.

I also dislike brock as a person. He's cocky, stupid, direspectful and way too full of himself. He's already told everyone time and time again hes only in MMA for the money, he doesnt give a damn about the sport. Fedor is the complete opposite.
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Millen said in his interview:

"Come to his training camp. Come to Stary Oskol, and we'll do three, five-minute rounds in the ring or the cage. We'll do it for fun."

...then Dana agreed, so let the fight happen Dana, don't be a liar!
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Millen said in his interview:

"Come to his training camp. Come to Stary Oskol, and we'll do three, five-minute rounds in the ring or the cage. We'll do it for fun."

...then Dana agreed, so let the fight happen Dana, don't be a liar!


Too late for Dana on the liar bit, but still as an MMA fan, I want the fight to happen.
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I know I am almost certainly playing with fire here. But you guys kinda do have a worlwide reputation for being ignorant. I see it demonstrated quite often on the forums. I am not saying your entire country is ignorant but you do seem to have your fair share of people that think America is the center of the universe and don't know or care about anyone / anywhere else.

That being said I work with lots of Americans and you guys are really cool, of course you have your fair share of the intelligent and educated crowd, which is almost certainly a major contributing factor to why you have been so successful over the years.

I just felt the need to pipe up and give his comments a bit of basis because he was / is going to get ultra flamed and probably didn't come across the right way, but I see the point he is making.
That's basically just an over used stereo type, man. In the same vein as Canada's Army never does anything, all French people have terrible hygiene etc. Of course we have our set of ignorant people, but every country does, it's not just limited to us. We have our fair share of those who are over zealous with it, but again not nearly as much as other countries make it out to be. And as for the "America is the center of the universe" thing, every country does that. It's called being patriotic and it'd be a shame if other people in other countries DIDN'T do it.



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What makes you think some of those people are not quality international fighters? Most of the ranked fighters western countries have are so biased towards fighters western audiances see. What I saw is a better quality show than some UFC cards.
Because when you watch them, they are the equivalent of starting fighters in the TUF house most of the time. It has nothing to do with their names and everything to do with their skills. I've watched quite a bit of M-1 Challengers and I've yet to see something that could stack up to a StrikeForce card, let alone a UFC card.

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Again 6 million people watched the Fedor fight in Russia at 4am. How many can the UFC pull in at that same time?
The point is that they don't NEED to. M-1 has 1 fighter that can pull in that many views once every six months, while the UFC can put on 3 cards in 2 months and get nearly that many views while not spending nearly as much money for the fighter to fight on their card.

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M1 has been promoting fights in Asia and Europe and has succeded in having its shows broadcast on major free to air channels. M1 has promoted Fedor and this has obviously worked. Fedor is very popular man in Asia especially Korea and Japan where he attends major talk shows and entertainment shows, Fedor has presidential and high ranking political friends, Fedor also gets a very warm/large reception in many countries where he is regarded as a hero.
M-1 has nothing to do with Fedor's popularity. Like I said, he is a national hero in Russia, carried the Olympic torch etc. He's the best person in his national sport, that's why he has friends in high places, not because of M-1. Also, PRIDE is what made him popular in Asia, not M-1. He was huge there WAY before M-1 was even conceived. Again, this makes me think your knowledge of MMA dates back two years at best.



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Well Fedor does own 20% of the company. M1 is willing to co produce and co promote i.e. share in all the risks, costs and profits. This is fair. M1 has been able to work with many other promotion companies around the globe without a problem. Its the UFC that refuses to work with any other promotion companies.
And for damn good reason they refuse. Despite what you seem to think, M-1 is not a hugely established brand. The UFC is. Why in the hell would the UFC give half it's profits for one fighter? That's idiocy. Especially when you're talking about giving it to an unestablished brand that is in the same business as you. It's like McDonald's telling a Mom'n' Pop burger stand that they can sell Big Macs, it won't happen and it shouldn't.



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This is where you and I, and where the UFC and M1 disagree. For me its not just about show, I dont want MMA to be run like WWE and dont want the belt to be given out to just anyone or to the popular fighter. I want the fighters to earn it and to prove themselves by fighting many fighters and if they loose then going back and fighting many other fighters before a rematch etc.I want MMA to be run like a proper SPORT.

What the UFC is doing now is going the entertainment route with a POPULAR 4-1 fighter. They might as well give Kimbo a shot at the belt, im sure he will rake in the PPV millions.
Brock holding the Belt has almost nothing to do with him being popular and everything to do with his skill set. I'm sorry, but after the Herring fight he emerged as one of the mroe skillful HWs in the division and was quickly improving. With the state of the HW division when he got his shot, there aren't many who had a better skill set than him. The UFC isn't going the way of the WWE, they're finding a fine balance between them though. They put on extremely entertaining fights and most of the time they're totally viable fights.

And M-1 is trying to have the best fighters fight the best fighters?

Have you see Fedor's last three fights?

Why hasn't he fought Overeem or Werdum instead of Rogers? Oh yeah, because a fight with Rogers would be seen as more entertaining and sell more tickets. If you think M-1 isn't trying to just make money with this you're out of your gourd.



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M1 global usually co promotes but they have had shows on in South Korea, Russia, Japan, Brasil, America, Ukraine, Dagestan and many other places around the globe. For many countries M1 is a more known company, UFC is really just America and the English speaking countries.
M-1 global has had events in Holland, Russia, Spain, Japan, Korea, the US and the UK.

UFC has had events in Canada, The US, The UK, Japan and Germany, with schedueled ones coming up for Australia and possibly Brazil.

The UFC is spread just as broadly as M-1 with having shows in Europe, Asia and North America, and much more often at that. Just because M-1 has had shows there (in many of those countries, no more than one) does NOT mean they're more well known.



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So again why does Dana keep insisting that Fedor go to America and sign up with the UFC, why does he persist in insulting Fedor? The UFC's HW rank has been battered and their best challenger only has a 4-1 record. Its not up to the champion to chase the challenger but for the challenger to chase the champion. Brock or any top UFC fighter that wants to fight Fedor should shut the h3ll up and sign with strikeforce.
Because there are far more fights for him in the UFC than in strikeforce or M-1. M-1 is full of cans outside Mousaui and Fedor. He has Werdum and Allistair to fight in SF. in the UFC he has Carwin, Cain, Mir, Kongo, JDS, and GG right now, without Lesnar in it. Lesnar's record is NOT what matters, it's never a fighters record that matters, it's his particular skill set that makes the match up great.


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Have you ever wondered why the rest of the world hates America? Try to conduct yourself in a civil manner, respect other cultures, and try to be more open to other countries. Its ok to be patriotic but try not to discount other countries achievements.

Its good practice to know as much of a country as possible before attacking it and killing its civilians (innocent or not).
My point exactly.
Iraq = a country
Colorado = not a country.
So instead of counting on the fact that not only did terrorists from said country flew planes into one of the busiest buildings in our country in our biggest city killing thousands and causing billions in damage, not to mention trying to bomb it 5 years earlier and blowing up one of our embassies in another country, we should take time to learn about their culture before attacking?

If some dude stabs you in the gut are you going to take the time out to try and learn his life story and past history before you defend yourself? Sorry but the world isn't all perfect and pretty like that. You hit and you get hit back, there's no exchange of words.

And the Reference to Colorado was meant that Colorado is a landlocked area that is roughly the same size as Iraq (3/4 the size), so it's asking the same question. I realize we attacked the country but it's not like we were saying "hey, you guys suck so we're goingto come in and take your shit." They killed thousands of our people first, they should expect as much. If you honestly don't see it the way you'restating then you're the ignorant one, not me.
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD???

I really wish that this thread would have stayed on topic and I am quite surprised that it didnt even after the mods stepped in. I hate when this happens because if someone had something to contribute it would more than likely be overlooked now because of the new topic that has taken over...
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lulz 90% of my post is on topic... I didn't even see the mod message until you said something :\
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So instead of counting on the fact that not only did terrorists from said country flew planes into one of the busiest buildings in our country in our biggest city killing thousands and causing billions in damage, not to mention trying to bomb it 5 years earlier and blowing up one of our embassies in another country, we should take time to learn about their culture before attacking?

If some dude stabs you in the gut are you going to take the time out to try and learn his life story and past history before you defend yourself? Sorry but the world isn't all perfect and pretty like that. You hit and you get hit back, there's no exchange of words.

And the Reference to Colorado was meant that Colorado is a landlocked area that is roughly the same size as Iraq (3/4 the size), so it's asking the same question. I realize we attacked the country but it's not like we were saying "hey, you guys suck so we're goingto come in and take your shit." They killed thousands of our people first, they should expect as much. If you honestly don't see it the way you'restating then you're the ignorant one, not me.
I can't believe there are still people in my country that believe this nonsense. Iraq killed thousands of people here? And tried to bomb it 5 years earlier? I mean really dude?

Sorry to continue the derail but dudes like him are why foreigners get the idea that Americans are idiots.

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