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Old 11-30-2009, 12:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Alizio, that is pretty offensive! Just because someone recognizes the need to be humble and put God above himself (or maybe that is just his personality), does not make him a "nut" as I see it. Humility is not across the board in every nationality, maybe Ovechkin is more popular, but that might be in spite of his lack of humility. I see it as a quailty trait and realize that others might not. Nonetheless, bigotted name-calling is not necessary.
Id really like to know how you know this. Is a hardworking Russian man more humble than any other hardworking man of a different nationality? From my experience working in Sunset Park or Brighton beach Brooklynn with tons of Russians, I find them to be the most cockiest, smug, self rightous workers on any jobsite. Of course every nationality can have super arrogant traits but on the jobsites the Russians are the worst. What nationality do you know that is known for their humilty? my only guess would be the sherpas.
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Id really like to know how you know this. Is a hardworking Russian man more humble than any other hardworking man of a different nationality? From my experience working in Sunset Park or Brighton beach Brooklynn with tons of Russians, I find them to be the most cockiest, smug, self rightous workers on any jobsite. Of course every nationality can have super arrogant traits but on the jobsites the Russians are the worst. What nationality do you know that is known for their humilty? my only guess would be the sherpas.
ppl are ppl..... the same everywhere. They buy the koolaid that they are somehow better, more stoic, humble etc etc then everybody else but we are all the same. We have our arrogant ppl and our humble ppl. Sometimes they are both wrapped into one!! my all time fav really is the humble guy who is quick to point out how humble, god loving and great he is and quick to point out how many faults you have and that perhaps you are going to hell... lol humilty must rule!!
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Not touchy, Alizio, but sensitive to bigotry and hatred and generalization. And now you are calling me a religious "nut". Hey, I'll take that if you put me in the same class as Fedor. Btw, I do know my religious history after being in ministry for 17 years.

How dare Fedor NOT compromise his beliefs! How can he be so unselfish!

Why not stay on topic and don't spew hate (and ignorance). And using the Sopranos as an example to make your point is truly a sign of brilliance.
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when dana does stuff people are quick to put it down to the fact that he's operating in the intrests of the UFC and his 10% share in ufc. Given that most ppl think feodor owns at least 10% of M1 why is it such a big deal that fedor would want to act in M1's iintrests.

Its becoming apparent that the UFC's business model is outdated and may work well for the WWE butnot for a competitive sport. The M1 approach seems similar to boxing, a model i would much rather see. That way we would see super fights like silva v liddell(prime) couture v fedor etc etc

Then we have UFC fanboys ( whove taken over from the pride purists)and bash fedor for protecting his own intrests.
If Bob Aram and Mayweather can negotiate pacquiao v maymeather (two guys who hate each other) Then why couldnt dana reach a deal with fedor instead of littering the internet and airways with obsceneties.
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Not touchy, Alizio, but sensitive to bigotry and hatred and generalization. And now you are calling me a religious "nut". Hey, I'll take that if you put me in the same class as Fedor. Btw, I do know my religious history after being in ministry for 17 years.

How dare Fedor NOT compromise his beliefs! How can he be so unselfish!

Why not stay on topic and don't spew hate (and ignorance). And using the Sopranos as an example to make your point is truly a sign of brilliance.
Why not stay on topic and don't spew hate (and ignorance). And using the Sopranos as an example to make your point is truly a sign of brilliance.[/quote]

well since your the minister ill save the spewing hate and ignorance to you thx 4 insulting my intelligence Father, it has furthered your point greatly

his beliefs?? he doesnt make the decisions business wise, his mafia buddies do. I guess it's ok to compromise and do business with alledgedly shady ppl, huh?? just like the church didnt care where it got it's $ either... a means to an end, indeed.

Because boxing is going so well now isnt it?? Lets have a million champions that wont fight each other for w/e reason instead of just a few.... lets have corrupt practices, unfair fighter treatment, poor marketing for anything other then the Main event and cards not stacked. Yes, plz, let's end up like them.... i actually have been boxing for many years and believe me, that system is more corrupt and horrible then anything in MMA. Hard to get big fights together you would be surprised. Alot of titles, alot of BS.

I rather have the UFC as the major force in MMA and everything else as feeder to the UFC but the UFC needs to find a way to support the feeder organizations be it with talent, $ or promotion. You could have regional organizations to national ones to international ones all feeding up (and down) to each other and at the top is the UFC. This way we get the fights we want at the highest level with the fighters the PAYING FAN (yes, im not including you freebie ppl, if you dont pay, you have NO say) want to see.

Fedor is the last major holdout. If he ever signs or retires that will be the end of any great fighter holding out, especially if the system is created that makes it the equivilent to any major sport in North America.

The world acts like they wont like this.... yet when they want the best basketball tune into the NBA or the best baseball tune into MLB... that's where the best players want to go. They still have their own basketball or hockey leagues all over the world, it doesnt mean the sport will die whereever you are from, just the UFC who has done it the best and most profitable will become WORLDWIDE and do shows in europe and asia all the time aswell, perhaps shows on either side of the planet once a month.


Boxing is so broken you cant fix it, there's a reason for that, a billion promoters, hundreds of belts, more corrupt ppl getting invovled, crooked ppl. Let's not make the same mistake.

Feel free to tell me why this type of system isnt more ideal beyond any irrational national pride?? We as fans would get the best fighters, fights, promotion, production quality. Why is that is bad to some ppl?? It doesnt mean there wont be other organizations but they will need to accept being feeders to the UFC, most of them already do tbh.

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Other than Brock who is out for a year? Is there a HW in the UFC that is that much better than someone Fedor would face in SF (other than Nog, who Fedor beat 2x already)? I don't know. SF has AA, Overeem, Werdum and Silva. I guess Velasquez and Dos Santos would be interesting match ups and maybe Carwin...but Brock was the real bait and now he is out for who knows how long.

Although a catchweight fight:

Fedor vs. Machida...would be cool?
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Other than Brock who is out for a year? Is there a HW in the UFC that is that much better than someone Fedor would face in SF (other than Nog, who Fedor beat 2x already)? I don't know. SF has AA, Overeem, Werdum and Silva. I guess Velasquez and Dos Santos would be interesting match ups and maybe Carwin...but Brock was the real bait and now he is out for who knows how long.

Although a catchweight fight:

Fedor vs. Machida...would be cool?
Since were dreamin, lets put him with somebody better than Machita. How bout a.Silva vs Fedor that sounds more competetive with a whole lot mor action.
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Ahhh, Alizio, did the religious "nut" hurt your feelings?? So sorry.
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Wow...that was a really good read. Very well thought out and you actually brought a whole new perspective about Fedor to me.

I agree with what you said.

Very good post. You should write for a magazine or internet website or something.
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I definitely think that you've made some good points about Fedor's personality, but even if he would have signed with the UFC, I don't think he'd have turned into the likes of Shonie Carter or Tito. In Japan, he was ridiculously popular and it still didn't get to his head. In Russia, he's treated like a national hero. I think he has a very sane and disciplined way of life and he doesn't let anything derail it. It's part of his success recipe.

He has also stated that he doesn't care what organization he signs with, as long as he can keep fighting. Sadly, I don't think he had that big of a say as to which one he should choose, since his management handles it.

Reading your thread, I got an idea. As you may or may not know, brash and in-your-face people are not very well thought of in Russia and lack of respect is not tolerated. Do you think that Dana White's attitude in the negotiations had anything to do with Fedor signing with SF instead of UFC?
Firstly, i think you misinterpreted me; i never said that fedor may change if he went to the ufc, i said that the ufc may -want- him to change, and thus he would not like it > thus one of the many reasons for picking SF over UFC.

And in response to your second question.... abso-*******-lutely. I can't believe i forgot to point that out myself. My neighbour is a respectable russian, and the in-your-face, hardball attitude of dana would *NOT* fly well at all with him. So yeah, i see what you're saying and agree completely on that one.

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I guess Fedor felt like sitting in that huge red royal chair (did he have a crown on?) before his fight with another overrated fighter. Id rather have a chance to say what you want to say before a fight in the UFC than be propped in some stupid oversized chair. It was sooo cheasy.
good point. i remember that now, and i agree - i remember thinking to myself how ******* ridiculous it was...and how uncomfortable fedor looked. That being said, it's his job, so he does what he must i suppose.

But yeah, good point. i was wrong on that point about strikeforce - cheers for bringing it up.

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My real point was it's hard to make deals with very religous ppl because their values are often much different then the normal businessmans. An example for those who watch the Soprano's when Tony tries to strongarm the Orthodox Jews regarding their hotel.... how do you make a deal with a man that fears nothing, wants nothing and is totally happy with his life?? I see that as the main problem with Fedor, Dana thinks $ and fame will do it, like it does it for EVERY OTHER fighter... but it wont. He lives on a different value system and seems totally content. I dont even think he cares if ppl view him as the best so you cant even try to stir up his competitiveness that way... im just not sure, as with alot of highly religous ppl who are true to their faith (i'd say 98% of them arent, but you do find that rare person and i think Fedor might be one of them) they wont compromise their beliefs, values or principles (misguided or not) for anything.
- i totally agree, and i think you summed up my original post quite succintly.


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Wow...that was a really good read. Very well thought out and you actually brought a whole new perspective about Fedor to me.

I agree with what you said.

Very good post. You should write for a magazine or internet website or something.
/blush. Thanks heaps for the compliment man, i've always wanted to write for a living but getting to something that pays ok AND doesn't want you to compromise your integrity is near impossible, so i gave it up.

but again, i really appreciate the compliment. thankyou.
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