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**khoveraki** · 12-01-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuicideJohnson

Sheilds is a world class ground fighter, but STILL an incomplete fighter. If the fight happens in the next 2 years, every credit and dollar I have is going on GSP. Judging on the amount of damage he was able to do to Miller in his last fight, and how close he was to being finished. I would even say a disciplined Mayhem should be able to beat him.

He did nothing to hurt Mayhem except give him a greasy staph infection, and although he controlled on the ground 90% of the fight, never came CLOSE to finishing.
I think we should be able to agree Sheilds won't be able to control GSP on the ground, so what is he going to offer?

I don't even think it would be a decision, GSP has the most underrated GnP in MMA, and I think he would make him quit within 3 rounds.

Shields took zero damage and controlled that entire fight. IMO he let the choke sink in because he clearly heard the 10 second bell and knew there's no way he could have finished it.

GSP vs Shields needs to happen just so GSP's opponent list includes everyone relevant at WW. I'd much rather see Fitch vs Shields, I think Shields would take it in an excessively boring fashion.

burgito · 12-01-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by khoveraki

IMO he let the choke sink in because he clearly heard the 10 second bell and knew there's no way he could have finished it.

that's seriously the most retarded thing ive ever read......

I'm sure Shields was like * ohhh only 10 secondes....I think I'll let him win the round by sinking in the choke*

umm probably NOT! any fighter knows that the last minute of the round can sometimes decide who wins the round...

**The Horticulturist** · 12-01-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by khoveraki

Shields took zero damage and controlled that entire fight.

And like I said, did no damage, and didn't come anywhere near finishing the fight.

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Originally Posted by khoveraki

IMO he let the choke sink in because he clearly heard the 10 second bell and knew there's no way he could have finished it.

That's just plain stupid reasoning, at NO point in a fight, would any good fighter let someone sink anything in. ESPECIALLY at the end of a round.

Also, the fact that Miller had it locked in from before the 10 second bell, makes me think that you're really just looking for excuses. Because what you've come up with is ridiculous.

**leifdawg** · 12-01-2009, 03:03 PM

IMO Shields loses to GSP last 3 wins.

flexor · 12-01-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joshua7789

I think this fight would hit a stand still once it hit the ground and get stood back up fairly quickly. Shields is a very good grappler and has fought and beat guys that are probably as strong as GSP. He could probably prevent GSP from pounding his head in on the ground, but I doubt he would be able to catch him with a sub. GSP is also very good standing and has some of the best tdd in mma, so he would be able to dictate where this fight went and probably opt to keep it standing and knock Shields out. Im a big Shields fan, but the guy has the worst stand up of any top ten fighter in any weight class in mma. GSP would win by TKO in the first round.

I know I'm clearly in the minority on this, but I Don't see GSP doing anything different in this fight than his last few fights against top ground guys. He mauled Kos, Fitch, Serra and Penn on the floor and I see no reason why he would shy away from his strength for Shields. I can see GSP softening him up on his feet a bit, but Jake would feel the floor **** of GSP for most of the damage he would take.

joshua7789 · 12-01-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flexor

I know I'm clearly in the minority on this, but I Don't see GSP doing anything different in this fight than his last few fights against top ground guys. He mauled Kos, Fitch, Serra and Penn on the floor and I see no reason why he would shy away from his strength for Shields. I can see GSP softening him up on his feet a bit, but Jake would feel the floor **** of GSP for most of the damage he would take.

The only guy GSP has faced that is anywhere near Shields level on the ground is Bj Penn, and Penn is a natural lightweight. Shields controlled Jason Miller and Yushin Okami on the ground, I dont see GSP being able to do a whole lot of damage to him on the ground. Shields also took apart Leo Santos in ADCC, the guy who subbed GSP in like thirty seconds in the same tournament. Not the greatest measuring stick for an mma fight, but a common opponent of some sort. Shields also subbed Jon Fitch in a grappeling match. People arent giving Shields enough credit for his ground game, which is pretty damn impressive. Dont get me wrong though, I still think GSP would knock him out.

**slapshot** · 12-01-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joshua7789

The only guy GSP has faced that is anywhere near Shields level on the ground is Bj Penn, and Penn is a natural lightweight. Shields controlled Jason Miller and Yushin Okami on the ground, I dont see GSP being able to do a whole lot of damage to him on the ground. Shields also took apart Leo Santos in ADCC, the guy who subbed GSP in like thirty seconds in the same tournament. Not the greatest measuring stick for an mma fight, but a common opponent of some sort. Shields also subbed Jon Fitch in a grappeling match. People arent giving Shields enough credit for his ground game, which is pretty damn impressive. Dont get me wrong though, I still think GSP would knock him out.

I agree and I guess just fail to see why anyone who has such a large advantage in any aspect of the game would decide not to use it to win a fight. I think GSP would have to be extremely carefully on the ground no matter what position he's in and even though I think he can hang with shields why on earth would you put that opportunity out there when you can just beat the tar out of him standing...

tlilly · 12-01-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joshua7789

The only guy GSP has faced that is anywhere near Shields level on the ground is Bj Penn, and Penn is a natural lightweight. Shields controlled Jason Miller and Yushin Okami on the ground, I dont see GSP being able to do a whole lot of damage to him on the ground. Shields also took apart Leo Santos in ADCC, the guy who subbed GSP in like thirty seconds in the same tournament. Not the greatest measuring stick for an mma fight, but a common opponent of some sort. Shields also subbed Jon Fitch in a grappeling match. People arent giving Shields enough credit for his ground game, which is pretty damn impressive. Dont get me wrong though, I still think GSP would knock him out.

One thing no one has mentioned about GSP's camp is their ability to formulate and execute a very thought out game plan, ala bj penn 2. That's just yet another advantage that GSP has against shields. Can Shields beat GSP? Of course he can, Serra proved that. But the likely hood of shields pulling it off is very unlikely.

**xeberus** · 12-01-2009, 03:37 PM

GSP is out of his league, shields would be stopped in that fight.

**swpthleg** · 12-01-2009, 04:21 PM

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GSP would murder Shields, it's a no brainer. Shields is a great fight but GSP is on a whole other level.

As he puts it, a whole other length of wave.

This fight has the potential to be a lot of lying on each other. I don't like saying it because I like both fighters, but even so.

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