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Old 08-24-2007, 12:50 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Rating Kongo=244 Filipovic=251 And just by watching the two at what they do.
I find that strange considering Cro Cop has beaten some of the guys in the Top 10.

Those rankings are rediculous.

Look who Cro Cop has beaten here.

#2 ranked kickboxer- Remy Bonjasky

#4 ranked kickboxer- Glaube Feitosa

#9 ranked kixkboxer- Peter Aerts

#11 ranked kickboxer- Jerome Lebanner


And thats just to name A FEW. Those rankings are extremely flawed considering Mirko has destroyed half of the people in the top 20 lol? And hes ranked 251, that makes a lot of sence.

How can anyone can think Kongo will survive a kickboxing match against cro cop? Especially since getting ko'd was probably the best thing for him, expect him to be back better than ever.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:03 PM   #82 (permalink)
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If Gonzaga can knock out CroCop then Kongo can definitely knock him out also. Kongo has better striking ability than Gonzaga does. I figure CroCop will win the fight, but I'll probably throw some points on Kongo for the odds.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:18 PM   #83 (permalink)
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"Why does everyone think Kongo will lose?"

-Because he's going against a pissed off CroCop.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:19 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Kongo is a pretty good fighter, but hes going against a motivated cro cop. So therfore he has no chance.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:37 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I don't get the mentality that Cheick Kongo is going to get destroyed when he steps into the octagon against Crocop. People bring up that Kongo sucks on the ground...so? He gets taken down easily...so what? I highly doubt that Mirko is going to take him down (Mirko is nothing special on the ground) and even if he does, Kongo is good enough not to get caught in anything. He fought Assuerio Silva (who is a BJJ brown belt and better than Mirko on the ground) for 3 rounds at UFC 70, and while we did see that he is easily taken down, he defended enough submissions and worked hard enough not to be held down for 15 minutes. If (and thats a big if) Mirko takes him down, Kongo is good enough to not get submitted.

So the fight is most likely going to be standing. Mirko isn't that dominant there either. Granted, he probably is more the more skilled of the fighters standing, but Kongos strikes are CRISP. Watch his fights at UFC 61 & 62. He shows real nice power and accuracy, and he might just have the advantage over Mirko in the clinch with his lethal knees. Factor in his reach advantage and his massive size and I serioulsly think that Kongo has a chance to beat Mirko.

I'm not saying Kongo will win. Infact, I think that there is a really good chance that the more experienced and powerful (?) Crocop will knock him out. But it wont be such a steamroll imo, all you Crocop fans who say that he's going to knock him out in 10 seconds need to take a step back and re-watch Gonzaga vs Crocop.

I am sure you were saying the same things back then...
I personally don't think any fight is guaranteed to have 1 person win because well its a fight, but i believe Mirko is the much better kick boxer and since thats Kongo's big thing and what he likes then he might get out classed by another kick boxer, not to mention height isn't an issue for a head kick from Mirko he has proven that already
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You obviously didn't see the Wanderlei CC fight
In that fight Cro Cop was kind of pissed, and Silva's a little lighter than Cro Cop.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:55 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Crocop is a WAY better kickboxer than Kongo......good god.
Also, he has a Brown Belt in BJJ as far as I know. It's not exactly hard to see that Kongo is going down, fast.
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"Why does everyone think Kongo will lose?"

Well many moons ago, when Randlemen shocked the world and beat CroCop, a pissed off CroCop went on a 7 win tear 6 of those 7 ended before it could go to a decision....some of those wins came against some of the worlds top talent in Emelianenko and Barnett.

I am not completely counting out Kongo, I just have seen what an angry CroCop does...
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I find that strange considering Cro Cop has beaten some of the guys in the Top 10.

Those rankings are rediculous.

Look who Cro Cop has beaten here.

#2 ranked kickboxer- Remy Bonjasky

#4 ranked kickboxer- Glaube Feitosa

#9 ranked kixkboxer- Peter Aerts

#11 ranked kickboxer- Jerome Lebanner


And thats just to name A FEW. Those rankings are extremely flawed considering Mirko has destroyed half of the people in the top 20 lol? And hes ranked 251, that makes a lot of sence.

How can anyone can think Kongo will survive a kickboxing match against cro cop? Especially since getting ko'd was probably the best thing for him, expect him to be back better than ever.
You said it was theory I provided some proof; you don't have to agree with it just acknowledge that it is out there. as for how they came up with their rankings that is explained in great detail on the sight. Many of the fighters that "should be ranked in the top ten" are not currently fighting in the kickboxing world so "a period of inactivity" drops their ranking. Everyone seems to think CroCop has problems with people in his face I disagree I think he has more problems with people that control the distance. Especially in K-1. He also is not great in the clinch and that is where Kongo excels. So, that is why I think he is a better kickboxer. As for MMA I think CroCop has him beat hands down and that is why he wins.
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I don't get the mentality that Cheick Kongo is going to get destroyed when he steps into the octagon against Crocop. People bring up that Kongo sucks on the ground...so? He gets taken down easily...so what? I highly doubt that Mirko is going to take him down (Mirko is nothing special on the ground) and even if he does, Kongo is good enough not to get caught in anything. He fought Assuerio Silva (who is a BJJ brown belt and better than Mirko on the ground) for 3 rounds at UFC 70, and while we did see that he is easily taken down, he defended enough submissions and worked hard enough not to be held down for 15 minutes. If (and thats a big if) Mirko takes him down, Kongo is good enough to not get submitted.

So the fight is most likely going to be standing. Mirko isn't that dominant there either. Granted, he probably is more the more skilled of the fighters standing, but Kongos strikes are CRISP. Watch his fights at UFC 61 & 62. He shows real nice power and accuracy, and he might just have the advantage over Mirko in the clinch with his lethal knees. Factor in his reach advantage and his massive size and I serioulsly think that Kongo has a chance to beat Mirko.

I'm not saying Kongo will win. Infact, I think that there is a really good chance that the more experienced and powerful (?) Crocop will knock him out. But it wont be such a steamroll imo, all you Crocop fans who say that he's going to knock him out in 10 seconds need to take a step back and re-watch Gonzaga vs Crocop.

I am sure you were saying the same things back then...
i dont agree when you say Mirko isnt that dominant standing but i do agree that this will be a good fight. I have Mirko winning because i think he is a better strikr but Kongo is crisp as hell and will definately make it interesting. This will be a fun fight for sure
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