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Well Werdum has only recently developed his stand up game
Not really.. Werdum had been training with Chute Boxe and CC for years before the JDS fight.

JDS KOd him very fast, before he got a chance to try to TD him.
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Improved Standup Synodrome, basically when a grappler/wrestler starts to develop a standup game and suddenly thinks it's a good idea to stand and bang with everyone instead of relying on their former strenght.
Werdum's standup was pretty developed by then, TKO'ing Gonzaga (twice) and Vera. JDS is his only loss in 5 fights. Watch the Arlovski fight, Arlovski is one of the best strikers in MMA and he couldn't finish him.


Plus Struve is a blackbelt and never had a chance to take it to the ground either. JDS has a brown belt under Nogeuira and is clearly capable of finishing it before it hits the ground.





This is JDS submitting Eduardo Maiorino and showing his groundgame. Note: This is before he got his brownbelt from Nogueira.


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Not really. Werdum had been training with Chute Boxe and CC for years before the JDS fight..

JDS KOd him very fast, before he got a chance to try to TD him.
But he has only recently found a degree of success with it, if he would've respected JDS's standup, he would've shot earlier.



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But he has only recently found a degree of success with it, if he would've respected JDS's standup, he would've shot earlier.

Struve and Werdum BOTH attempted take downs on Junior Dos Santos... he shrugged them off and KO'd them. It's not like he's flash-koing people on a fluke. He's got great TDD.
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i like do santos but i dont see how anyone can love mirko he is CRAP
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i like do santos but i dont see how anyone can love mirko he is CRAP





Crocop simply lost his motivation to fight before he got into the UFC.
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Struve and Werdum BOTH attempted take downs on Junior Dos Santos... he shrugged them off and KO'd them. It's not like he's flash-koing people on a fluke. He's got great TDD.


Even if it was true, neither of them have good wrestling/TDs.
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Even if it was true, neither of them have good wrestling/TDs.
Yeah but they're both grapplers. Werdum tried to pummel and take JDS down and couldn't.
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'Grappler' is a rather vague term and not because you're a grappler that you have good wrestling/TDs.

They're both BJJ guys with weak-average TDs. There are lots of fighters like that (Big Nog, Rog Nog, Mir, J Horn, Almeida etc..)

So you can't call JDS' TDD great just based on the fact that he defended a Werdum TD (which if you re-watch it wasn't really a TD attempt).
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So you can't call JDS' TDD great just based on the fact that he defended a Werdum TD (which if you re-watch it wasn't really a TD attempt).
What was it?
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