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post #51 of 84 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 01:02 AM
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He couldn't continue because of his shoulder not from an illegal strike and bones changed the angle at the end of both of those elbows so they weren't 12-6 terrible reffing and a cowardly ending.
i saw it the same way. looked to me like was trying to angle them around the defense not a straight up 12-6 elbow.
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post #52 of 84 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 01:04 AM
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If the 2 elbows were illegal, they hit on the jaw and side of the head.
Matt Hamill was already toast and those 2 elbows weren't the cause. Jones won the fight and got it taken away.
I agree Jones was tooling him leading up to those elbows and all the "illegal" elbows did was put the icing on the cake..however its a rule that he broke 3 times in 3 seconds so obviously it has to be a No Contest...I am not saying I like it but those are the rules. Hammill looked dead right after Steve pulled Bones off though, anyone else agree?
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post #53 of 84 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 01:05 AM
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Jon Jones completely dominated this fight but those blows were definetly illegal no doubt about it. But you can't blame Hammill about the stoppage whatsoever, it seemed as though when he was talking he didnt even know they were illegal blows, hell it didnt even seem he knew he won the fight. The guy cant even hear I dont think he knew exactly what was goin on, seemed he thought it was stopped cause of his shoulder.
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I knew there'd be some stupid JBJ nuthuggers bitching about this stoppage.


Jones and Hamill were landing about the same amount of shots standing. Jones took Hamill down and mounted him. He wasn't able to inflict punishing blows (and baited the ref - dirtbag move) so he did two illegal moves. The two illegal moves were the direct reason that Hamill couldn't go on.


Totally straight-cut DQ, no arguments, end of story.
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It is a bullshit rule and should be changed. If you go by the rule, it was illegal. However, the only reason the fight was stopped is because Hammil's shoulder was messed up and he had been beat up on the ground. He said he couldn't continue not because of the 12-6 elbows, but because he had had his ass handed to him.

It is total crap, but then again so is the rule. If you really have a problem with it, send a letter the the athletic commissions telling them how crappy the rule is. I know I will be because I believe that it is total crap and always has been.


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So you guys would have been fine with Jons stopping the fight with a knee to Hamill's head too?

I get that there isn't that much difference between the elbow strikes but illegal blows are illegal blows. Illegal blows that end the fight lead to disqualification. Right call by the judges/ref.
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they were glancing. Talking about Travis Lutter right?
Those elbows were parallel to the floor making them Legal.


Does it make sense??? Nope.

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post #57 of 84 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 03:30 AM
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Those elbows were parallel to the floor making them Legal.


Does it make sense??? Nope.
i think it has to do with being on your back because of the substantially less amount of power you have when throwing them. im not sure though which makes them legal.

its a rule with a dumb twist to it. like having one hand on the mat even if standing is considered a downed opponent and cant be knee'd

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Should have been a no contest really..
That's exactly what should have happened...
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I knew there'd be some stupid JBJ nuthuggers bitching about this stoppage.


Jones and Hamill were landing about the same amount of shots standing. Jones took Hamill down and mounted him. He wasn't able to inflict punishing blows (and baited the ref - dirtbag move) so he did two illegal moves. The two illegal moves were the direct reason that Hamill couldn't go on.


Totally straight-cut DQ, no arguments, end of story.
your always rude... calling ppl stupid now for their opinion?? On top of being delusional... your saying Hamill was getting anything on the exchanges?? LOL you just cant admit when your wrong and go into delusional childish silly excuse mode, are you related to Tito perhaps?? Lol im sure Tito will tell ya he was getting even in the exchanges with Forrest in round 3.... LOL @ you saying the stand up was even... yea if getting punched and kicked in the face 10x for every attempted punch is even.... check the fight stats too... lemme guess those are fake too right?? lol

Lol yea you said the JBJ "Hype train" was gonna get derailed and he would be "exposed".... guess he was exposed... exposed as alot better then Matt Hamill

So straight cut DQ huh?? Too bad MH was out long before those elbows and only Mazz the Moron would not stop that fight once he was mounted and not defending himself or trying to get Jones off while taking a flurry of head shots.
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As far as I know there isn't a single rule in all of MMA that is as confusing as the downwards elbow rule. It's been discussed several times on this board when it applies and when it doesn't. The last time if I remember correctly, the consensus at the end was that it apparently means downwards elbows to the top of the head from the standing position, such as the MT flying elbow. Now it seems that we were wrong, and I'm more confused than before.

So Jones got a DQ loss, big deal. Every single person who saw the fight still knows:
1. ...that there wouldn't have been any illegal elbows if Mazz had known when to stop the fight.
2. ...that the illegal elbows didn't end the fight.
3. ...that Jones was by far the better fighter yesterday.
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