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Old 12-06-2009, 08:08 AM   #71 (permalink)
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because he lost, he showed inexperience in the ring and the rules you must follow while inside them he should not be rewarded for this. he did do a good fight and has the skills to move up but he should not for this could be looked down upon by lots of people that a guy would move up the leaderboards even though his last fight he won by illegal blows to an opponent
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:17 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I was blown away with the results of that fight. If anything a nc for sure. Oh well Bones will get an even better apponent next time.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:25 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Those elbows shouldn't be illegal. What's the difference between dropping elbows from 12 to 6 compare to throwing elbows from your back to the top of someone's head from 3 to 9? That's what was happening in the fight right after Jones' and those are allowed. It's not like gravity is adding any power to the elbows when they are coming down instead of sideways.
Its a lot more dangerous coming down ala spiking compared to 3-9 elbows. Spiking from the mount is the worst- you can generate too much force. Thats 1 rule I agree with except the UFC doesnt seem to clarify what elbows from what angles positions etc, are exceptable. As far as people saying BS, thats ridiculous, Jones knew what he was doing if he would have foot stomped his head or kneed his face I guess that would be ok too. Face it Jones is only on his way up the ladder after his awesome performance last night but he does need to control himself. Baiting the ref was cheap and those elbows were blatant..
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because he lost, he showed inexperience in the ring and the rules you must follow while inside them he should not be rewarded for this. he did do a good fight and has the skills to move up but he should not for this could be looked down upon by lots of people that a guy would move up the leaderboards even though his last fight he won by illegal blows to an opponent
Man no way is he gonna get a step down in competition for his next fight. Yah he lost and I do agree with the decision illegal blows like that require a DQ and he should have known that, but Dana watched the fight and he knows it was a dominant performance by Jon Jones no doubt about it. He is definetly going to be fighting toughter competition next and you know he is going to be asking for it.
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Exactly! And now his record isn't important anymore, he can take on top ten fighters in the LHW devision
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I would have been pissed off if he hadn't been DQ'd TBH. Hamill was being dominated for sure, but he was doing a good job at defending himself. The fact that Jones kept looking at the referee to stop the fight when Hamill was clearly okay, indicates to me that he was getting tired and was worried that Hamill was still in the fight. IMO his inexperience caused him to panick which resulted in the illegal elbows. I also think there were more like 4 or 5 illegal elbows one hitting Hamill square on the bridge of the nose, rather than the 1 or 2 glancing blows some people on here are suggesting.

If there hadn't been any fouls then Jones would probably have still won. However, Hamill is a tough SOB and nobody can say for sure that he couldn't have got back in the fight. All of this is redundant though as the rules are very clear. If you finish your opponent with an illegal strike then you're DQ'd. Period.
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Im really surprised so many people think it should have been a no contest, there is abosolutly no excuse to step into a cage which is already a dangerous environment without knowing the rules, it is completely inexcusable and to be honest a NC does not make a suiting punishment, Hammill may not have deserved the win but Jones definatly deserves the loss which even that is not a strong enough punishment IMO for being so careless. Jones showed alot like Rumble did in his fight with Kos (knee to the head of a clearly downed Kos) that these young guys are not taking the rules seriously enough and the punishments IMO are gonna have to get stricter to make sure fighters have no excuses.
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I really feel the fight was already over, should have been stopped way before it.

And unless he dislocated his shoulder, which I am assuming why he didn't continue the fight, because of the elbows then I can't see how he can be DQ'd.

I'm not arguing against the moves being illegal, the rules clearly state they are for whatever their daft reason, but they did not seem to me to be why the fight was finished, a point should of been taken away if Matt continued the fight but Matt couldn't continue because of his shoulder which had nothing to do with the elbows. If the fight was finished as a direct result of the elbows then I would have no quarrel witht his decision.

Either way rally impressed with Bones, awesome display of talent.
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Those elbows shouldn't be illegal. What's the difference between dropping elbows from 12 to 6 compare to throwing elbows from your back to the top of someone's head from 3 to 9? That's what was happening in the fight right after Jones' and those are allowed. It's not like gravity is adding any power to the elbows when they are coming down instead of sideways.
Well going with gravity is easier than fighting against it, and downward elbows have little chance of glancing off so they're likely to due serious damage. Plus they're hard to block.

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Im really surprised so many people think it should have been a no contest, there is abosolutly no excuse to step into a cage which is already a dangerous environment without knowing the rules, it is completely inexcusable and to be honest a NC does not make a suiting punishment, Hammill may not have deserved the win but Jones definatly deserves the loss which even that is not a strong enough punishment IMO for being so careless. Jones showed alot like Rumble did in his fight with Kos (knee to the head of a clearly downed Kos) that these young guys are not taking the rules seriously enough and the punishments IMO are gonna have to get stricter to make sure fighters have no excuses.

Yeah agreed and no kidding. And to everyone thinking it should have been stopped earlier, give me a break, Hamill was defending himself extremely intelligently and Jones was getting frustrated/gassed, then he went for the two illegal elbows and it laid Hamill out. As clear cut as Silva's DQ loss or Rumble's if Kos hadn't blocked a lot of that blow.
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no, you are wrong... the elbows didnt finish him and cause him to say he wouldnt continue, the dislocated shoulder did... get the facts straight.

That's why after the fight MH only talked about his shoulder, not the elbows making him unable to continue.... Mazz f'd up on so many levels it's a joke and im sorry if you think staying mounted and taking punishment and just covering up and not tryin to get out of the position is "intelligently defending yourself" but in my eyes its a recipe to get serious damage, if you are mounted for an extended period and all you are doing is covering up the fight needs to be stopped. MH says the reason was he was defending with one arm... so even in his own mind he knew he was in deep trouble and not getting out of that position... so i dont know how his fanboys can say he had a shot in hell when he realized himself he didnt.

lol @ jones getting frustrated and gassed.... he was dominating and imposing his will the entire fight and was in a comfort zone. MH was the one wanting to give up ASAP and it had nothing to do with the elbows.

I guess a guy flaying around mounted defending with one arm, doing nothing but covering up and taking punishment is intelligent as hell.

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