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Old 12-06-2009, 05:51 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If Kimbo were to stay in the HW division would anyone else be interested in seeing him fight Hardonk?
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:29 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Im sorry but anyone who thinks that Houston got paid to lose to Kimbo is a moron. If he was paid, he woulda got knocked the **** out. they wouldnt have put on a boring fight where houston just throws shitty leg kicks, they would have had houston go down.
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Why?? Totally possible...


I see Kimbo fighting a Stephon bonnar type next but his ground is stll seriously weak and his stand up is negated with the leg kicks.....easy pickins for a smart fighter.....
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At this point I really don't care what's next for Kimbo. He is terrible. Working hard to improve which I respect, and seems like a cool guy but terrible. Houston has awful leg kicks, just awful and he was still giving Kimbo problems with them. Anyone with decent thai would tear his leg off. Also everyone is bitching about Houston circling away the whole fight, which he did and it was lame but Kimbo just spun around with him. All he had to do was walk him down at an angle and cut him off anytime he wanted but he never did.
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CroCop showed less heart then Houston did in his fight vs JDS. Another performance like that vs Rothwell and he should just pack his bags.

Kimbo vs Pat Barry if you want a real standup all out slugfest.
CC would put Kimbo in a coma...


Hopfully people put this in perspective, comparing him to Kimbo of the past he is much better and his ability to learn MMA is impressive. Compare him to just about any other lightheavy/heavyweight in the UFC and he only has a few opportunity's. Kimbo will lose a few fights maybe win one but I dont see him braking the top fifteen of any division.

It will be novel to see how far he can go from fight to fight but Im not expecting much as far as contendership. I think him and Colman would be a good fight and worth watching IMO.

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I see Kimbo fighting a Stephon bonnar type next but his ground is stll seriously weak and his stand up is negated with the leg kicks.....easy pickins for a smart fighter.....
Totally possible but completely improbable.
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CC would put Kimbo in a coma...


Hopfully people put this in perspective, comparing him to Kimbo of the past he is much better and his ability to learn MMA is impressive. Compare him to just about any other lightheavy/heavyweight in the UFC and he only has a few opportunity's. Kimbo will lose a few fights maybe win one but I dont see him braking the top fifteen of any division.

It will be novel to see how far he can go from fight to fight but Im not expecting much as far as contendership. I think him and Colman would be a good fight and worth watching IMO.



Totally possible but completely improbable.

So you think Heath Herring would lose to Kimbo???
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You make some good counter-points and I do agree with the fact that he did use more than just strength on the take down after re-watching. I also have no real bias as I can't stand houston. I felt this was just a fight for entertainment purposes for pitting two guys that knock out and get knocked out. I really did not see Kimbo look very good on the ground upon re-watching and I do take your points under consideration. However I think that his game should be much higher before getting the exposure and TV spots (and even the fights) that he has. He does not deserve where he is at in my opinion. He is a hype job that has REALIZED he has to be humble and "hungry" in order to get any respect. His macho attitude quickly got checked when he was exposed at the C level (seth Petro). Kimbo was a big bully that that fought guys that didn't even want to fight him (the guy on the internet with the eye practically falling out was begging to stop). Kimbo's handlers, even on the internet level kept the fights standing...especially when he fought and lost on youtube. EliteXC did the same thing. So I do not think he is fully genuine. I think he is playing the appropriate game to get exposure and training but that doesn't mean I respect his rise. I think he is helping with the decline of the perception of the sport. The casual is looking at some of these fights and thinking the stereotype "meathead bar brawlers." My wife watches both the UFC and boxing matches with me. I am a martial artist, former high school D1 wrestler and golden gloves boxer so she knows and appreciates my passion for combat sports. She LOVED watching Edger dominate with pure skill with his wrestling and higher level stand up boxing. She couldnt stand how, in her words, "bummy" Kimbo and Houston looked. SHe is right. They just stood there and Kimbo could hardly adjust his gameplan to Houstons very low level game. I am sorry but I am not changing my opinion on the fact that a B level fighter would have let a leg kick hit, watch Houston's hand drop and follow with an overhand right to end the fight. Now when we switched to Paul Williams and Martinez (whether people know the fight or not) she couldn't help but get engaged with very high level fighting.

If Kimbo and these entertainment fights and fighters keep coming to the UFC and MMA in general, I see a decline in the level that it was growing at in terms of athleticism. I see too many football players and people wanting to "test their skills" just jump in the MMA...and doing so with success because it is bringing the organization money. I love the sport but I am seeing that they are becomming more concerned with just putting on "styles make fights" instead of putting on the best fights. I don't care if a fight takes 25 minutes and it takes place all on the ground because I appreciate high level transitions and people that can dominate. The average fan cannot and that is what the UFC is starting to cater too and Kimbo is a shining example of that IMO>
Fact of the matter is that MMA is a WHOLE different beast than boxing. Kimbo was checking most of those leg kicks and none of them were landing with any sort of force. Houston was baiting Kimbo and trying to land a big counter punch, it was pretty obvious. If Houston wanted those kicks to mean anything he would've put a bit of force into them like he did in the third. His gameplan wasn't "Kick him until he gets TKO'd with that knee" like it may have looked, it was "Kick him and try and get him coming in and knock his ass out!" Thats why he was only kicking with his lead leg and he was doing so fairly gently, so he could return that foot quickly and so he still had all his power in the back foot for when Kimbo came in trying to throw haymakers.

That's the reason I'm impressed with Kimbo is because he DIDN'T bite on those kicks. He checked them and kept circling and never got frustrated. He waited for Houston to make mistakes instead of making a huge one of his own. When Houston DID make mistakes he capitalized on them BIG TIME. Kimbo also passed Houston's guard like butter and mounted him twice, almost took his backand instead almost snapped his neck. There's no denying the fact that Kimbo is very seriously becoming a student of the game. He IS humbled now and heknows he needs to train and learn to fight correctly if he's ever going to do anything in the sport. That's why many of us are so surprised by him, because he was exactly what you said he was, but he is no longer.

Also, there's no need to be mad at Kimbo for where he's at, because he's at a C level in the UFC right now. Houston isn't much ofa name after being destroyed and then basically cut from the UFC. The UFC gave him someone with a name, but who doesn't even rank in the division anymore. So while it may look like they're giving him high profile fights, they aren't, he is exactly where he should be. My guess is his next fight is against someone like Al-Turk, Al-Hassan (dude who got his shit snapped), Rodney Wallace (who doesn't even have a pro record apparently?), Kyle Kingsbury or Igor Pacrajak. Those are all b-to-c level fighters in the UFCs LHW division. He probably won't fight anyone with a name for at least two more fights. If you think about it, the UFC isn't going to be able to sell him if he's terrible, so they're going to want to make sure he's actually raising his skill level and getting things done right. There's no way this will turn into a Brock Lesnar situation.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:27 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Fact of the matter is that MMA is a WHOLE different beast than boxing. Kimbo was checking most of those leg kicks and none of them were landing with any sort of force. Houston was baiting Kimbo and trying to land a big counter punch, it was pretty obvious. If Houston wanted those kicks to mean anything he would've put a bit of force into them like he did in the third. His gameplan wasn't "Kick him until he gets TKO'd with that knee" like it may have looked, it was "Kick him and try and get him coming in and knock his ass out!" Thats why he was only kicking with his lead leg and he was doing so fairly gently, so he could return that foot quickly and so he still had all his power in the back foot for when Kimbo came in trying to throw haymakers.

That's the reason I'm impressed with Kimbo is because he DIDN'T bite on those kicks. He checked them and kept circling and never got frustrated. He waited for Houston to make mistakes instead of making a huge one of his own. When Houston DID make mistakes he capitalized on them BIG TIME. Kimbo also passed Houston's guard like butter and mounted him twice, almost took his backand instead almost snapped his neck. There's no denying the fact that Kimbo is very seriously becoming a student of the game. He IS humbled now and heknows he needs to train and learn to fight correctly if he's ever going to do anything in the sport. That's why many of us are so surprised by him, because he was exactly what you said he was, but he is no longer.

Also, there's no need to be mad at Kimbo for where he's at, because he's at a C level in the UFC right now. Houston isn't much ofa name after being destroyed and then basically cut from the UFC. The UFC gave him someone with a name, but who doesn't even rank in the division anymore. So while it may look like they're giving him high profile fights, they aren't, he is exactly where he should be. My guess is his next fight is against someone like Al-Turk, Al-Hassan (dude who got his shit snapped), Rodney Wallace (who doesn't even have a pro record apparently?), Kyle Kingsbury or Igor Pacrajak. Those are all b-to-c level fighters in the UFCs LHW division. He probably won't fight anyone with a name for at least two more fights. If you think about it, the UFC isn't going to be able to sell him if he's terrible, so they're going to want to make sure he's actually raising his skill level and getting things done right. There's no way this will turn into a Brock Lesnar situation.
Somehow we are fully missing each other because I agree with you dude. My main point is that I just don't like that Kimbo is being "sold" and hyped from a marketing perspective as a C level fighter. I would rather the focus be on marketing the absolute best fighters at the elite level. It is just an opinion but the past year, I have felt that the UFC is trying to capitalize more financially then making the sport grow respectably. The fans too often Boo high level ground game and transitions and you rarely are seeing people have full matches on the ground. PART of the reason is that the fights are being made where stylistically no one is willing to do that. Again, I don't disagree but I just feel that the UFC is marketing and profiting too much on the C level fighters than really showcasing the athleticism of the A level guys. Only my opinion though and we all know the same thing about opinions.....
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:31 PM   #49 (permalink)
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As the sport continues to grow in popularity and mainstream acceptance, let's hope that we get to see more fights from guys like Mark Bocek.

However fight promotions are businesses, and if they happen upon a draw, they're going to run it as long and as hard as they can.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:31 PM   #50 (permalink)
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The thing is tho... Most fighters around Kimbo's level dont have a huge fanbase, while Kimbo has a massive one. it only makes sense to promote a fighter whos got a huge fanbase.
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