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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 02:45 PM
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The fight wasn't stopped because of the elbows, he took Bones aside and doced a point. That was for the elbows. Then he asked Matt if he was finished, when he he said he was the fight was stopped. The elbows were illegal and nasty but I would have thought the dislocated shoulder would of been so much more painful and hindering, that was why Matt couldn't continue.

edit- gah kinda misread your post, kinda tired, but my point is still in there. Italic'd it for you.

this would be the point I would argue if any, but you can't say what the real reason was, mazzagati could've stopped the fight because of the huge gash on the nose, which in turn could have been blamed on the illegal elbows, its hard to say, but look the big picture. A PROFESSIONAL TRAINED FIGHTER, DIDN'T KNOW/FOLLOW SIMPLE RULES AND HE SHOULD FACE THE MUSIC FOR IT.
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I honestly thought the shoulder was the reason it was stopped, seemed to make more sense, but since this is not the case I will concede that it is a just DQ as it was due to the illegal blows.
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Props to Mazz. He has screwed up some fights but this wasn't one of them, very good decision.
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DQ was the correct call.

The fight was stopped because Hamill was a drooling mess on the canvas who clearly could not continue not because of his shoulder. The shoulder injury is a separate issue.

I don't think the illegal changed the outcome of the fight. Hamill was beat. Mounted and taking damage.

Unfortunately for Jones Mazzagatti didn't stop the fight.

Before the illegal elbow Mazzagatti thought the fight should continue. After the illegal elbow Hamill is done.

It's an unfortunate situation. I think can argue the fight should have been stopped before the illegal elbow...but it wasn't.

DW and Joe Silva know Jones finished the fight in full mount dropping bombs. Jones will get the tougher next opponent. Where it matters most Jones won the fight.
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A Disqualification will be imposed if a fight is stopped due to an intentional foul and the fouled fighter can no longer continue to fight. At that point the person who committed the intentional foul is disqualified, penalizing him with a loss (and loss of the win bonus money) and rewarding the fouled fighter with a win (and the win bonus money). A disqualification can also leave the fighter open to further fines/punishment at the discretion of the athletic commission and the promotion.

In the Jones/Hamill fight there were clear fouls that were intentional. The fight had to be stopped because of the fouls. Hamill was not able to continue so Jones had to be disqualified. It does not matter if the fouls were the direct reason for Hamill not being able to continue, as long as they contributed. A NC could not be called. It would be a reward to Jones (no loss on his recorded) and a penalty to the victim (a win not being awarded).

There was only one option and the ref took the correct path in this case!
The fight wasn't ended because of the elbow he couldn't continue because his shoulder was dislocated. The correct result would be a point deduction and the fight being awarded to Bones.
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No matter how many times people say the fight was ended because of the shoulder, it just is not the case. The fight was stopped because of the elbows and hamill could not continue, regardless of the reason(s), so the fight was stopped because of the elbows. EVERYbody involved in the fight, even the NSAC and Kizer say so!

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The fight wasn't ended because of the elbow he couldn't continue because his shoulder was dislocated. The correct result would be a point deduction and the fight being awarded to Bones.
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