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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-06-2009, 01:09 PM Thread Starter
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NC vs DQ

There has been a lot of talk about the Jones/Hamill fight and how many people think it should have been called a No Contest and not a DQ. Well here is why it HAD to be called a DQ and not a NC.

A No Contest can only be called if a fight is stopped because of an injury to one (or both) fighters from an accidental foul. A good example of this would be two fighters leaning in and accidentally head butting each other causing a cut that forces the fight to be stopped. At that point it is ruled to be a No Contest and neither fighter is punished or rewarded.

A Disqualification will be imposed if a fight is stopped due to an intentional foul and the fouled fighter can no longer continue to fight. At that point the person who committed the intentional foul is disqualified, penalizing him with a loss (and loss of the win bonus money) and rewarding the fouled fighter with a win (and the win bonus money). A disqualification can also leave the fighter open to further fines/punishment at the discretion of the athletic commission and the promotion.

In the Jones/Hamill fight there were clear fouls that were intentional. The fight had to be stopped because of the fouls. Hamill was not able to continue so Jones had to be disqualified. It does not matter if the fouls were the direct reason for Hamill not being able to continue, as long as they contributed. A NC could not be called. It would be a reward to Jones (no loss on his recorded) and a penalty to the victim (a win not being awarded).

There was only one option and the ref took the correct path in this case!

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Good thread and thanks for clearing this mess up for everybody.

It sucks for Jones but we can't say it was totally unfair.
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I disagree, I don't think the fight was stopped because of the illegal elbows, I think it was stopped cause Matt couldn't continue due to him dislocating his shoulder, which is entirely seperate from the elbow strikes. If the fight went on, doc a point for sure, but Matt was finished way before that.

Note I am not disputing the legality of the elbows, they WERE illegal, but I don't think that's why the fight was stopped.
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In no way should it have been a NC, I said it before Hammill may not have deserved to win but Jones definatly deserved to lose. There is no excuse to step into an MMA fight and not know or understand the rules, that is wreckless disregard for your opponents well being and is inexcusable. A loss on his record is not punishment enough but its a start.




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I disagree, I don't think the fight was stopped because of the illegal elbows, I think it was stopped cause Matt couldn't continue due to him dislocating his shoulder, which is entirely seperate from the elbow strikes. If the fight went on, doc a point for sure, but Matt was finished way before that.

Note I am not disputing the legality of the elbows, they WERE illegal, but I don't think that's why the fight was stopped.
This may give you a slightly different perspective on the decision.

It explains in details how the call was made
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In no way should it have been a DQ, I said it before Hammill may not have deserved to win but Jones definatly deserved to lose. There is no excuse to step into an MMA fight and not know or understand the rules, that is wreckless disregard for your opponents well being and is inexcusable. A loss on his record is not punishment enough but its a start.

I agree with your post but why in the beginning did you say it shouldn't have been a DQ, what should it have been? DQ seems the only logical ending to that fight. Unless there is some other kind of ruling that I don't know about
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I disagree, I don't think the fight was stopped because of the illegal elbows, I think it was stopped cause Matt couldn't continue due to him dislocating his shoulder, which is entirely seperate from the elbow strikes. If the fight went on, doc a point for sure, but Matt was finished way before that.

Note I am not disputing the legality of the elbows, they WERE illegal, but I don't think that's why the fight was stopped.
You are incorect here! The fight was stopped because of the elbows. The ref stepped in and pulled Jones off because of the elbows...

The fouls may not have been the reason that Hamill could not continue but they were 100% the reason the ref stepped in!

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You are incorect here! The fight was stopped because of the elbows. The ref stepped in and pulled Jones off because of the elbows...

The fouls may not have been the reason that Hamill could not continue but they were 100% the reason the ref stepped in!
The fight wasn't stopped because of the elbows, he took Bones aside and doced a point. That was for the elbows. Then he asked Matt if he was finished, when he he said he was the fight was stopped. The elbows were illegal and nasty but I would have thought the dislocated shoulder would of been so much more painful and hindering, that was why Matt couldn't continue.

edit- gah kinda misread your post, kinda tired, but my point is still in there. Italic'd it for you.
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I agree with your post but why in the beginning did you say it shouldn't have been a DQ, what should it have been? DQ seems the only logical ending to that fight. Unless there is some other kind of ruling that I don't know about
My bad, I meant NC but I got mixed up.




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The fight wasn't stopped because of the elbows, he took Bones aside and doced a point. That was for the elbows. Then he asked Matt if he was finished, when he he said he was the fight was stopped. The elbows were illegal and nasty but I would have thought the dislocated shoulder would of been so much more painful and hindering, that was why Matt couldn't continue.
It doesnt matter what hurt Matt, what matters is he was fouled and could not continue after being fouled... The fight was stopped because of the foul, not because of the shoulder!

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