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Old 11-16-2009, 12:49 AM   #761 (permalink)
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I understand that you have to keep going if there is a chance your opponent may get back up but in fights like the Winner Delgado and Henderson Bisping it is pretty obvious the opponent was completely out of it and absolutely no reason for the brutal punches afterwards.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:07 AM   #762 (permalink)
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Meh, Mousasi has the class enough to stop when he KNOWS someone is out. But at the same time, where do you draw the line? When he KO'd Jacare by upkick he punched him a few times after he dropped, would you penalize him for that?

Or how do you judge when to punish a fighter? Not all cases will be obvious like Rampage vs Wanderlei III.



So what... should he get his pay docked? Or have the fight ruled a no contest? Or no penalty at all?

Who gets to choose when it's wrong or right?


It's up to the ref to step in, and I doubt there's ever going to be a case of a serious injury after the fighter was unconcious. Usually the KO punch does the most damage.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:40 AM   #763 (permalink)
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I think until the ref jumps in it is all fair. Now when Rampage was fighting the ref to continue punching there clearly needs to be some form of penalty or suspension, as the refs are there to protect the fighters and you are stopping them from doing their job.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:10 AM   #764 (permalink)
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It depends on who is layed out on the mat. If it is an asshole like Sokoudjou who fought with the ref to continue when he beat Jan Norte and Bob Sapp, let his silly ass take as many extra shots as possible. Honestly though, there is to much gray area to make a firm rule on this, it would have to be on a completely case by case basis which would leave to much room for arguement. Keep it like it is now, its fair game until the ref stops it.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:23 AM   #765 (permalink)
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One solution can be that they are not allowed to, or are less likely to get KO of the night if whoever picks the winner of that decides there were unnecessary shots after they were KO'd. That way they can still keep destroying the guy if they want with no worry about getting in any trouble, but they won't if they want a sweet win bonus. That should prevent them from throwing extra shots when they KNOW that they are out.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:59 AM   #766 (permalink)
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This horse has already been made into glue, but since this is a thread you made and it is suprisingly not inflammatory, I can has answer.

I imagine the it's much harder from the fighter's perspective to know that the person it out. Also, what if the person is not out and the one that through the kick or punch let's off and ends up losing the fight?

Not a great angle, but what if while Hansen while celebrating, (because he thought he was out) Imanari got him in a knee bar that that Hansen couldn't spin out off? That shit would have about 12,000 threads on here saying how stupid he was.



As I said before, fighter's job is to fight, ref's job is to ref...seems simple enough.
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It is a bit unsporting, and most people would rather cheer for a guy with honour. Then again at the same time, Hendo earned lots of respect for that punch on Bisping, I guess it works both ways.

Ultimately though, both fighters know the risks and fight willingly. You fight until it the bell or the ref stops it. It is one of the most violent sports in the world - the very idea of it is to inflict injury onto your opponent to stop him.

Anybody who has been in a real fight can tell you that when your adrenaline is pumping, especially if you have bad blood with your victim, primal instinct will usually take over.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:53 AM   #768 (permalink)
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We saw it in fights like Winner/Delgado, Henderson/Bisping, Rampage/Wanderlei 3, Gonzaga/Crocop, the list goes on and on.

Why do fighters throw those unnessecary punches or strikes once their opponent is already out cold? I don't buy that "heat of the moment" argument, because it is clear to everyone watching the fight (and I would think especially the fighter's opponent) that one fighter is out cold and any further strikes are simply not needed.

I think, that if there were to be a serious injury in the UFC it would come by way of an unnessecary strike once the opponent is out. I don't think the refs are to blame because these KO's happen fast and they cant always get there in time. The problem I think lies with the fighter, they need to understand that if their opponent is out, you don't need to risk serious damage by a flurry of power punches against a lifeless opponent.

Also, I'm certainly not against finishing a fight, but there is a huge difference between winning a fight by TKO and throwing stupid strikes against an already KO'd opponent.
What if you're fighting a guy like Randy who can take shots like that but snap back into it by the time they hit the ground?
IMHO it is fully on the ref to jump in and grab the other fighter.

But I do agree that those shots on a defenseless opponent can be extremely dangerous, I just think its a matter of the refs acting quicker.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:15 AM   #769 (permalink)
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Then again at the same time, Hendo earned lots of respect for that punch on Bisping,
Earned respect / loved by angry sadists, slight difference

I agree with the idea of with holding the fight/ ko of the night bonus.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:46 AM   #770 (permalink)
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It's all about the ref jumping in time, my problem is when guys keep trying to fight when the ref is trying to stop it.

Like that Sokky fight or Wand/Page 3
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