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Shadow30597 · 12-30-2006, 01:52 PM

Biggest stars, yes...but like you said,in most of those fights you mentioned, he lost.

That's like saying your personality and badass attitude will sell everything, doesn't matter if you blow ass in the ring or not, you just gotta talk like youre the s***. Should Jason Mayhme Miller be in the Hall Of Fame? Ortiz has got skill, yes...and he has fought in many good and memorable fights, yes...but getting spanked by Randy and crying about it does NOT render an HOF, getting KTFO by Lidell in under a round doesnt cut it. Granted, he IS excellent at the hype of a fight, and I think the only way for him to get into the HOF if to buy his way in through the revenue he racks up FOR all those hyped-up fights.

I think my initial analysis was based on skill and experience- perhaps a bit naive of me to post prematurely...but I still don't think shis skill warrants an HOF status. But you are right, hyped up fights and listed known fighters, he would be in there. I guess I'm split ont he decision. I think the Hall Of Fame should be tougher to get into. If he comes back and beats Chuck, hands down, no complaints on my end. But if he gets his ass handed to him again, fine thats another good hyped up fight but he just doesn't have the skill it takes to get in there...

GDAWG · 12-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Ortiz is definately a future Hall of Famer. No doubt about that. I don't know how long after he retires for him to be eligible to be inducted, but he will be there.

**asskicker** · 12-30-2006, 01:57 PM

I think he deserves to be in there more than Dan Severn. You could say alot of the same things about those pioneer guys in there. How there just in there because there UFC pioneers and if they fought now theyd get spanked. Well Tito was somewhat of a pioneer in his own right. He started a new era so to speak and carried it on his back like someone stated before.

benn · 12-30-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGracieHunter

I don't like Ortiz but he has to be put in there due to the amount he has done for the company. The new era was completely cebtred around him and like him or not he turned a LOT of people onto ufc

Agree with you also.

You can say he was the Mascot in a good way to the UFC

**Damone** · 12-30-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow30597

Biggest stars, yes...but like you said,in most of those fights you mentioned, he lost.

That's like saying your personality and badass attitude will sell everything, doesn't matter if you blow ass in the ring or not, you just gotta talk like youre the s***. Should Jason Mayhme Miller be in the Hall Of Fame? Ortiz has got skill, yes...and he has fought in many good and memorable fights, yes...but getting spanked by Randy and crying about it does NOT render an HOF, getting KTFO by Lidell in under a round doesnt cut it. Granted, he IS excellent at the hype of a fight, and I think the only way for him to get into the HOF if to buy his way in through the revenue he racks up FOR all those hyped-up fights.

I think my initial analysis was based on skill and experience- perhaps a bit naive of me to post prematurely...but I still don't think shis skill warrants an HOF status. But you are right, hyped up fights and listed known fighters, he would be in there. I guess I'm split ont he decision. I think the Hall Of Fame should be tougher to get into. If he comes back and beats Chuck, hands down, no complaints on my end. But if he gets his ass handed to him again, fine thats another good hyped up fight but he just doesn't have the skill it takes to get in there...

If you ask any casual fan who Mayhem Miller is, they will say "Who?". That is not a knock against Miller, but it's the truth. Also, Mayhem didn't make the UFC a ton of money, and carry them when they were in the shitter.

He should be inducted for helping them(UFC) out when they were down, and generating a new slew of fighters and fans. He helped start the new evolution, and for that he should be inducted. He also is one of their biggest draws, and without Ortiz, then the UFC would probably be belly up. Yea, Dana helped out tremendously, but it was Ortiz who helped solidify them as a money making company. They drew huge with Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock 1, and that's because of Tito & Ken, and Tito & Ken alone.

Shadow30597 · 12-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Look at Hughes, he is not my favorite fighter...in fact, I don't like him...

But his record is at 45-5-0 and people still say he sucks ass and has no skill. But Tito is at 15-4-0 but qualifies for the Hall of Fame. So yeah, maybe it is all about attitude. But you discount Hughes vs. Gracie, who is washed up and say Tito's best accomplishment would have een whoopin the shit out of Shamrock three times, doesn't matter that Gracie and Shamrock are both older and slower...but Hughes' was one of THE most anticipated fights ever, but he's not worth the HOF. I'll give Tito Wandy and Belfort, yet Hughes took Sherk, Pierre (everyone's God before he became their God), and Riggs when Riggs couldn't even make weight. On top of that Hughes has one of the most memorable knockouts by slamming Carlos Newton from the top of the cage in the triangle (I know he was choked out and unconscious when he slammed him, but he still has that memorableknockout).

Now look at the Iceman (because youre gunna think I'm nuthugging Hughes, who is a bastard): Record of 19-3-0. Took on Jeff Monson, Kevin Randallman, Sobral, Bustamonte, Belfort, Vernon White, Randy Couture, AND Tito Ortiz. He's been in plentyof hyped up fights, he constantly proves HIMself capable of HOF. He knocked out Guy Mezger (Pride, doesn't count...but still). He is exciting, he brings in the fans. He took on an HOF'er (Couture), AND he wiped out Tito (and probably will again). Shouldn't Chuck be in there, too?

Now I'm sure if I shot through multiple MMA careers, I could pull out a bunch of stuff like this- so all I'm saying is there's more overqualified than Tito, and unless Tito beats Chuck, he don't deserve it. The standards should be higher for skill.

**Damone** · 12-30-2006, 02:20 PM

See, I agree about Hughes vs Gracie. That was a huge event, and it drew huge. Matt Hughes should also be a future HOF'er, because he was the peoples champion for the longest time. He defeated some of the greatest WW's of all time, and never EVER backed down from a challenge. Hughes was the working man's fighter, and he was one of the most dominant champions of all time. Hughes is one of my all time favorites, so there could be a little biased opinion thrown in there.

I'd say Liddell, Ortiz, & Hughes would probably be inducted all around the same time. 3 of the UFC's biggest stars, and pioneers in their own right.

Shadow30597 · 12-30-2006, 02:23 PM

Now THAT, I agree with....repped.

**asskicker** · 12-30-2006, 02:27 PM

Well if I had to pick two active fighters to put in the hall of fame I'd put Hughes and Liddell. But I think Tito deserves to be in there too. You also have to remember that before Hughes beat penn Tito had the record for most title defenses. Now he and Hughes are tied for first in that category. But my point is Tito doesnt JUST have charisma he;s also accomplished alot as a fighter.