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Old 12-30-2006, 03:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Look at Hughes, he is not my favorite fighter...in fact, I don't like him...


But his record is at 45-5-0 and people still say he sucks ass and has no skill. But Tito is at 15-4-0 but qualifies for the Hall of Fame. So yeah, maybe it is all about attitude. But you discount Hughes vs. Gracie, who is washed up and say Tito's best accomplishment would have een whoopin the shit out of Shamrock three times, doesn't matter that Gracie and Shamrock are both older and slower...but Hughes' was one of THE most anticipated fights ever, but he's not worth the HOF. I'll give Tito Wandy and Belfort, yet Hughes took Sherk, Pierre (everyone's God before he became their God), and Riggs when Riggs couldn't even make weight. On top of that Hughes has one of the most memorable knockouts by slamming Carlos Newton from the top of the cage in the triangle (I know he was choked out and unconscious when he slammed him, but he still has that memorableknockout).



Now look at the Iceman (because youre gunna think I'm nuthugging Hughes, who is a bastard): Record of 19-3-0. Took on Jeff Monson, Kevin Randallman, Sobral, Bustamonte, Belfort, Vernon White, Randy Couture, AND Tito Ortiz. He's been in plentyof hyped up fights, he constantly proves HIMself capable of HOF. He knocked out Guy Mezger (Pride, doesn't count...but still). He is exciting, he brings in the fans. He took on an HOF'er (Couture), AND he wiped out Tito (and probably will again). Shouldn't Chuck be in there, too?





Now I'm sure if I shot through multiple MMA careers, I could pull out a bunch of stuff like this- so all I'm saying is there's more overqualified than Tito, and unless Tito beats Chuck, he don't deserve it. The standards should be higher for skill.

I read this whole thread.......and i have no idea who you are referring to in this quote "Hughes' was one of THE most anticipated fights ever, but he's not worth the HOF".

No one even said that hahahaha your just making shit up now. The guys were saying Tito deserves to be in the HOF for putting the organization on his shoulders when it was in trouble and being very entertaining. No one ever said Hughes doesn't deserve to be in there. I am sure both Hughes and Liddell will be in there when they retire based on their accomplishments thus far as well as Tito.


Shadow30597 I think you are way too opinionated. I've seen some of your posts before about steroids and how one-sided you were on those topics and now this one that Tito is not skilled or some bull shit. He's one of the best ground and pounders in the UFC right now, yet you say he has very little skill. Wake up brother you need to stop seeing black and white and start seeing grey.
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't make shit up, I was basing everything on fact. I was putting respect int he different areas it should be noted. What I was saying is that there are a lot of people who should be inthe Hall of fame if Tito were to go into it...the Hall of Fame should have a high standard, otherwise it loses its value in prestige.

Opinions and facts are what this board is all about.

And bro, I misworded my title to the steroid thread, my bad...but that fact still remained- if it didnt do anything to your body, why the **** take it if its illegal?
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I don't make shit up, I was basing everything on fact. I was putting respect int he different areas it should be noted. What I was saying is that there are a lot of people who should be inthe Hall of fame if Tito were to go into it...the Hall of Fame should have a high standard, otherwise it loses its value in prestige.

Opinions and facts are what this board is all about.

And bro, I misworded my title to the steroid thread, my bad...but that fact still remained- if it didnt do anything to your body, why the **** take it if its illegal?
If they put Tito in who else would they have to put in? Not many people not in the HOF have accomplished as much as Tito. The people I think need in are Frank Shamrock, Chuck, Hughes, Tito, and maybe Mark Coleman.
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You marked the three I would have acommodated- Hughes, Lidell, and Ortiz. Coleman is a VERY loose end for me, I think Frank would be closer to the HOF
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Reading some people's recent opinions that Matt Hughes isn't good anymore because he lost to GSP doesn't make it a fact. So yes you were getting your back up about some other poeple's opinions in an entirely different thread....prolly one of those ones right after he lost from last month. Therefore you were making shit up as if someone had bad mouthed Hughes in this thread when you were the first one to even mention his name.

And as far as the your steroid opinion goes I'd be greatful if you would post a link to it cuz I don't want bother searching for it. You can send me a private message so the people reading this thread don't have to waste their time on something that is getting off topic (you and me both getting off topic i mean.)
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aahahhah Hall a famer, ahahah almost made me fall off my chair, theres no way Tito can be compared to Royce, Shamrock (in his prime before the WWF), Irog and other great MMA fighters. Tito is way overrated, I'd love Tito to fight Wanderlei!! So Silva could avenge his loss to that Hack.

Tito is going to get killed, and Wanderlei will kill chuck!


You see the chain go, Just because Tito Layed and Gayed Wandy for the "W" does not mean he could do it again. Silva has TONS of tricks in his bag, while Tito has 1, "I am going to take you down and sit on you!" Phucking RETARDED!

More like Hall of Gayers! He would go in nicely with Matt Hughes, Pat Militich and all thoes other gay cuddlers.
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Old 12-30-2006, 04:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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It seems unlike most of you im a relative newcomer. I bascially first heard of UFC when i had the PS1 game. And the only person's i remember on that is Tito and the ref BJM.

Then many years later i joined a torrent site. It had a UFC fight on it, watched it and loved it ( ithink it was a little brutal one). But for me Tito is a face i recognise and a figurehead in the UFC. You long time MMA'ers may not care or know him as much as Royce or them. But for me him, and Lidell and Hughes are the main men, with of course GSP a "new comer".

And the fact he has had a LOT of big fights (and hell, lost, but he was still the big man to get em) means he was atleast the second best 90% of the time.

I for one, agree to his induction into the hall of fame and im sure Mr Rogan would agree :P
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I agree hughes and liddell should be inducted into the HOF, but the point of the topic was about tito being inducted.


And daman5, stop hanging on prides nuts.
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Lol i only hang there, because there is good enough skill


I dont have to say just pride Rumble on the Rock is good where BJ Penn is there (who should be in the HOF way before Tito), and Cage Rage, thats amazing.


I'm Just saying that Tito is decent in the UFC but if his sorry ass was to fight someone now, he would be stompped on.


HE'S only good because hes in the ufc, if Tito fought in a good league he would be a no body.


And Being in good fights and losing them does not put you in the hall of fame. You have to win and be dominate all the time, and not having squeeking split decisions to be in the hall of fame.

You know im right, you just dont wanna admit it. I don't know why.
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If they put Tito in who else would they have to put in? Not many people not in the HOF have accomplished as much as Tito. The people I think need in are Frank Shamrock, Chuck, Hughes, Tito, and maybe Mark Coleman.
As much as I'd love to see Frank in, I seriously doubt he will be. Dana & Frank despise each other. Frank thinks he's worth a ton of money, and Dana thinks Frank isn't even worth a dime. I wish they'd put their ego's aside(Frank especially), and let Frank be in the HOF. Frank is the blueprint for current MMA, and was one of their greatest champions(This, of course, could be my Frank Shamrock bias speaking).

Coleman is such a random pick. If they include Coleman, then they might as well include Maurice Smith & Don Frye. Smith hates Dana, so that's not going to happen. Coleman was significant though, and was the guy to beat for a while. I still think Dana thinks of him as "That guy who Pete Williams kicked really hard in the face".

Yea, this was off topic. I apologize.

Chuck, Hughes, & Ortiz are all future HOF'ers. They accomplished so much, and helped the Zuffa era out a lot. Chuck carried the KO, badass end. Ortiz carried the cocky, charismatic end. Hughes carried the workman, peoples champion end.
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