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Old 12-09-2009, 09:25 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I thing the commission is wrong, but i very much doubt they will over turn anything, his managers should just accept this and keep it moving. I understand he was 9-0 and this must feel like a messed up way to get the first lost, but it won't impact his standing that much
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Even eye surgery didn't convince the Athletic Commission that they were wrong about Burns win over Johnson, so I don't see any way they would turn this to a NC. The basic philisophy of the NSAC is that they are unable to make mistakes, and they will not do anything that would prove that they're wrong.
They didn't overturn Burns/Johnson because it wasn't one of the conditions for which a fight can be overturned (which are very specific and limited). It had nothing to do with their attitude or refusal to admit a mistake. Same situation with Hammil/Jones. The rules don't allow for a fight to be overturned in this situation.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Doesn't have a chance to win this challenge. Read the rule. There's something about as long as no blow to the head was used. Well, that elbow was directly to the head.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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if i were matt hamill i'd rather have the nc rather than a win for a fight i was dominated in anyways
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:38 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They didn't overturn Burns/Johnson because it wasn't one of the conditions for which a fight can be overturned (which are very specific and limited).
Well then they should definitely change those conditions asap. Btw, if an eye poke TKO isn't enough to overturn a fight, could you please give me an example of something that is?
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well then they should definitely change those conditions asap. Btw, if an eye poke TKO isn't enough to overturn a fight, could you please give me an example of something that is?
They change a result only in the case of (NAC Chaper 467):

-collusion or bribery of a ref or judge
-positive drug test
-error on score cards
-As the result of an error in interpreting a provision of this chapter, the referee has rendered an incorrect decision.

As you can see there is nothing in there to allow for a referee's mistake. The "error in interpretation" doesn't refer to a ref missing an eye poke or stopping a fight because he thought an illegal blow was responsible when it wasn't.

Should there be a provision for this? I think so. Something along the lines of "At the discretion of the commission and in the case of gross error by an official blah blah blah".
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I said this RIGHT after the decision, that it was hard to talk to Matt because of his disability, They wont bring in one of those hand signal guys during a live fight to figure this stuff out.

He clearly couldnt even move his shoulder during the interview, needed support to hold it in place. I cant possibly see this not being overturned to a NC.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Mazagati should no longer ref mma. What should have happened, was give Hamil the 5 minutes to recover while a doctor inspects his injuries. Deduct a point, or even 2 points for the 2 elbows, and then Hamill would have been saying his shoulder was broken, and they would have called it a no contest. So again, Mazagati needs to stop reffing, this isn't his first f-up, and won't be his last.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:28 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Betting question.. a buddy of mine puta pretty large amount on Jones to win the fight. If they actually change it to a NC, does he get his money back? Anyone know?

edit: Yeah now that I think about it, they wouldn't do that lol.

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Old 12-09-2009, 01:30 PM   #20 (permalink)
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In the end this will be about as impacting to his career as Fedor's cut 'loss' or Anderson's upkick DQ. My advice for him would be to keep training as the UFC will be calling him to fight again and they'll be calling him soon. Jones is an animal and his momentum and performances will clear him of this drama by his next fight. I hope the UFC was kind enough to give him his win bonus regardless of the decision.
Total agreement here.

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Its not gonna get overturned and just makes Jones look like a whiny bitch IMO. The first time a replay was used to decide a fight, I don't care if the Maz was in the wrong (I don't think he was) the athletic commision is gonna back him like hell because overturning it questions the legitimacy of instant replay.
I see your point, but in my opinion. This probably has little to do with Jones and more the people around him. He took the loss well and didn't complain after the fight. I doubt that would have changed a few days later, if anything that usually goes down the opposite way.
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