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post #31 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-09-2009, 10:32 PM
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It wasn't his intention to foul somebody. I know ignorance isn't an excuse but that's how it was.
You've completely contradicted yourself.
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What? It's a win, no matter how you look at his record. It's not his fault Jones threw an illegal elbow.
But it is his fault that he got completely dominated. I doubt Hamill really cares about the W. There's no way he considers it as a W anyways.
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You've completely contradicted yourself.
Explain how exactly?

I'm going to bed anyway, but you claimed low blows and eye gouges aren't intentional - well neither was Jones intending to do an illegal move. He was just ignorant.

Which isn't an excuse, but he didn't think to himself "Ohh I know, I can illegal elbow him right infront of the ref, judges, crowd and millions on tv and hope I get away with it!"

No. He was clearly winning the fight and would have done so without the elbows.

Do you really think he intentionally fouled Hamil?

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He shouldn't be fighting without knowing the rules. You don't seem to understand the difference between intentional and accident.

For example, I try to kick the inside of your leg, and slide up, 'causing a low blow, is an accident.

I'm not saying that Jones was trying to intentionally injure Hamill, but they were still completely intentional.
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as a canadian i know two sports really well football-cfl and hockey-nhl the nhl always backs there refs decisions and i dont like this the cfl always backs their refs but not theirs refs decisions thats the way to go

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There's no way in hell they are gonna change the ruling.
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The timing of when Mazz stepped in was a major bummer that cost Jones this fight. It was just a really bad conincidence that Hammil had hurt his shoulder and couldnt keep fighting at the same time Mazz called foul on Jones. That said, nothing will happen with them protesting this. It rarely ever does.
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He shouldn't be fighting without knowing the rules. You don't seem to understand the difference between intentional and accident.

For example, I try to kick the inside of your leg, and slide up, 'causing a low blow, is an accident.

I'm not saying that Jones was trying to intentionally injure Hamill, but they were still completely intentional.
You really don't like Bones do you?
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You really don't like Bones do you?
I dont see how that comes across in the quoted post at all.

Bones did something illegal. When Mazz stood him up and deducted a point, it was found that the other fighter couldnt continue, so the fight ended.

Even though Bones probably didnt mean to foul hammill, as someone said before ignorance is NOT an excuse.

If im driving a car for the first time, and run a red light because I dont know what it means, is that a valid excuse? Obviously not, I know its an odd example but in theory its exactly the same.

if Jon Jones can come to terms with the loss, why the *@#* cant everyone else, he broke the rules and was penalized for it. Same thing happened to anderson silva, its what happens when you break the rules in mma.

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I dont see how that comes across in the quoted post at all.

Bones did something illegal. When Mazz stood him up and deducted a point, it was found that the other fighter couldnt continue, so the fight ended.

Even though Bones probably didnt mean to foul hammill, as someone said before ignorance is NOT an excuse.

If im driving a car for the first time, and run a red light because I dont know what it means, is that a valid excuse? Obviously not, I know its an odd example but in theory its exactly the same.

if Jon Jones can come to terms with the loss, why the *@#* cant everyone else, he broke the rules and was penalized for it. Same thing happened to anderson silva, its what happens when you break the rules in mma.
Okay. And I'm agreeing that he deserved to lose due to the elbows, however he still kicked Hammil's ass, and clearly WON the fight in the octagon, whether it was on paper that way or not. All the fans will remember the Hammil/Jones fight as Matt getting his ass whooped and winning due to some BS illegal elbows. HE WAS DONE BEFORE THE ELBOWS WERE THROWN. Now I'm done arguing about this..
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