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Old 12-10-2009, 10:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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also might just be the refs judgment at that time im pretty sure if ur in mount position then the refs watching u mor closly than the guy on the bottom
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:44 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The 12-to-6 Illegal Elbow Explained

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...0178&zoneid=13

Found this on mmaweekly. It's only downward like someone said, so that means Diegos against Clay were legal.

It's a pretty stupid rule because it's the same thing whatever angle the elbows coming from.

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Following the Jon Jones disqualification against Matt Hamill at The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale for illegal elbow strikes, the illegal elbow rule has drawn a lot of attention.

The Unified Rules used by Nevada lists 31 fouls. “Striking downward using the point of the elbow” is listed as number 10, but doesn’t mean exactly what it says.

Taken from the Nevada State Athletic Commission website, here’s the official wording of the rule.

“NAC 467.7962 Acts constituting fouls. (NRS 467.030)

10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. All elbow strikes are legal except for an elbow that is thrown in a downward trajectory (hand traveling from 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock). Any elbow thrown with an arc is a legal elbow. The point of the elbow may be used as striking instrument as well as the forearm or the tricep area of the arm.”

In a February 2006 interview with MMAWeekly Radio , legendary referee “Big” John McCarthy explained why the rule was made and the back history that led to it’s initiation.

“What it was, was when the Unified Rules were put together they took all the organizations. You had the UFC, Pride. You had the IFC. You had Hook-N-Shoot at the time. There were various organizations that all met together in New Jersey. Larry Hazzard is the one that put it together so he could clarify his rules. Marc Ratner was on a phone line for it, and they ended up having everyone sit there and try to come together with what they could be happy with,” explained McCarthy.

“One of the things that happed was there was an IFC show that happened before that meeting occurred. There were a couple of fights, and because New Jersey wasn’t comfortable with Mixed Martial Arts at the time, there were a couple of fights that went on to change things as far as what they were going to permit and not permit,” added McCarthy.

“You have all these different organizations, and you have all these people with what they want to be able to do, so it’s tough to get people to agree on things. Finally, one of the things that was brought up is in one of the fights a fighter took another guy’s back and tried to sink in a choke. He couldn’t sink in the choke, so he started taking his hand and bringing it up and elbowing to the back of the guy’s head and neck.

“The doctor from New Jersey had a conniption about it. He said I will never ever pass something that allows that type of strike. That could be life threatening, and he started going into his thing, and so the one elbow they took out was that elbow, that type of position. The way that they wrote it up, you could interpret it a ton of ways, but the true position they were talking about was the hand coming up to twelve o’clock to six o’clock.”
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Crap rule, but whatever. Yeah, it is completely related to the position of your arm/elbow. If your fist is pointing up, and being directed down, it is illegal.

They should remove all strikes thrown to the face from the mount because it allows for so much more force...
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They just need to make all downward elbow strikes illegal. I've seen many fights where they should have been illegal. It would end much of this BS.

**edit** except maybe throwing a downward elbow from the fighter on his back which really cant generate much force.

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Old 12-10-2009, 01:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think it probably is the positioning that makes the difference.

Having them elbows drop from the mount is alot more dangerous than from guard.
Thats not the reason for the rule though. It's just because of the Gary Goodridge fight.
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"Finally, one of the things that was brought up is in one of the fights a fighter took another guy’s back and tried to sink in a choke. He couldn’t sink in the choke, so he started taking his hand and bringing it up and elbowing to the back of the guy’s head and neck."
If this was the fight that made those elbows illegal why generalize to all positions? I understand that any shots to the back of the head and neck and more dangerous than the front, but this just seems like error in transcription. Were the elbows Jon Jones performed from the mount significantly more dangerous that any other strike? Life threatening?
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This is dumb. Any strike thrown from mount to the face of an opponent with his head on the ground is going to be more damaging. That is one of the advantages of obtaining the mount!!!

The rule is stupid. Elbowing a guy from 12-6 isn't going to kill him. Hell, it isn't even going to cause any permanent damage. Yeah, it is more damaging than any other elbow, but like I said, that is the point. It is a fight, let them fight. This sh** is getting completely ridiculous.

Soon we'll start covering the fighters with bubble wrap...
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I think the '12-6' represents the vertical from ceiling to floor, rather than in relation to the fighter (head - feet)?

So its illegal if you're in mount or on your feet, but the exact same motion is legal if you're lying on your back?
your right on point its not illegal unless it is 12-6 just like it says.cant be any simpler that does not mean the motion but straight up and down 12 o clock to 6 o clock.
you guys must just be bored or somethin
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This is dumb. Any strike thrown from mount to the face of an opponent with his head on the ground is going to be more damaging. That is one of the advantages of obtaining the mount!!!

The rule is stupid. Elbowing a guy from 12-6 isn't going to kill him. Hell, it isn't even going to cause any permanent damage. Yeah, it is more damaging than any other elbow, but like I said, that is the point. It is a fight, let them fight. This sh** is getting completely ridiculous.

Soon we'll start covering the fighters with bubble wrap...
Agreed. While we're at it, legalize knees to the head of a downed opponent.
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