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Old 12-13-2009, 03:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Frank wieghed in at 245 at 100. He's also a natural athlete type of person so I think it's legit until proven otherwise. For a big dude like him, putting on 20lbs is probably more akin to someone at 170 putting on 7-10 lbs. He's 6'3'' and has a huge upper body.
I'd say it's the other way round .. seems muscle gets harder to put on the more you already have. I was a skinny 6'3 160 at the end of high school, and it took me no time at all to bulk up to 185, all muscle. It took YEARS from there to work up to 195-200ish though, all the harder since I didn't take roids, or supplements for more than a few months and stopped. And I find it next to impossible to bulk up more naturally, it takes heavy lifting and good eatin just to stay around the 200 mark or I lose a lot. This is just personal experience though.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You may be totally right too (I'm 6'0'' and cut to 170 and don't plan on bulking up :\) I'm by no means an expert on the matter. What I was saying though, is, Biologically, Mir has a HUGE frame. The dude is built like a linebacker. Big shoulder, big legs, thick mid section. He's 6'3'' but he's got the body type of Jeff Monson. More surface area to add weight = faster weight gain. I'm sure the dude's been eating like crazy and taking loads of creatine and supplements as well as lifting a shit ton of weight too. I mean, take a 170 lb dude trying to bulk to 185s workout routine and multiply everything and add it to a bigger dude and you're probably going to get more muscle gain from a logical stand point. Like I said though, I'm definitely not an expert.
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Old 12-13-2009, 04:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Mir's generally been sloppy throughout his career.

He's also got a massive frame and coupled with the shock of a proper power/muscle building routine for the first time in his career I don't see the problem seeing impressive gains over a 5 month period.
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Old 12-13-2009, 05:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I really like Mir alot and I can't say enough about his performance tonight. As far as roids go, he's innocent until proven guilty. Though 20 lbs of muscle in 5 months does raise some eye brows, it's not impossible. To me, It says alot about Mirs work ethic. I believe he now has the physical tools along with the technique to stop anyone in the heavyweight division and Im looking forward to Mir-Lesnar 3 as long as Mir can win another fight or possibly two. But as far as juicing, I highly doupt it. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Ufc test for this type of thing before each event?
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Old 12-13-2009, 06:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Ufc test for this type of thing before each event?
Yes but as far as I'm aware it (actually the athletic commissions, not the UFC themselves) only does fixed date testing, on a set date before a fight instead of random testing at any time. Fixed dates are extremely easy to beat, you just cycle the steroids and stop a few weeks before the test. This is without even going into designer steroids and masking agents, which is an ever evolving cat and mouse game. Or cheap tricks like wearing a fake rubber penis to the test, attached to bag of "clean" urine taped to your body. The only reason they catch anyone is because of cycle mess ups or chance spikes.

Suffice it to say the UFC's drug testing is not a good proof that someone ISN'T doing roids, only that they ARE if they are dumb enough to even get caught on that. I would be more confident if they enforced random date drug testing like many other sports, where they just come to your house/camp one random day and ask you to piss. I really don't understand why they don't.

But yeah, until any real proof, it's cheap and disrespectful to make such claims. Especially when Mir at least doesn't show the typical signs of abuse that guys like Sherk, Randelman, Coleman and Baroni did. Like extreme bulging veins, unrealistic muscle:fat ratio, roid rage etc. Think typical WWE body.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Well I've sported Mir in my sig as my favorite HW for years now, so I will admit to having a biased opinion. But honestly my reply is absolutely not. I agree with a lot of the previous statements. His body didn't look roid huge, like a WWE guy... it looked "Worlds Strongest Man" competition huge.
Mir has always competed with a bouncing gut, last night he was toned and ripped. I really think the guy is just arrogant enough to believe that the only reason Brock beat him was his size. While I don't really agree with that 100%, that belief makes for a problem with a realitively easy fix... so he did it.
It's a shame that people bring this stuff up and cheapen a mans amazing performance. But it's not the OP's fault as much as just the history of Pro Athletics.
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It amuses me that some people are implying steroids are out of the question. Clearly you don't understand the world of professional athletes very well. Steroids are very accessible, and from what I hear, not to difficult to get out of your system if you have the right amount of time.

That being said, while I'm not sure how he put on such an impressive amount of weight, I will say that assuming it's one thing and not the other is just as ignorant as anything. We really have no idea. None of us know Mir personally, or work out with him. At the very least the most we can say is that we don't expect it to be roids. It's certainly a possibility, though.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:29 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I'd say it's the other way round .. seems muscle gets harder to put on the more you already have. I was a skinny 6'3 160 at the end of high school, and it took me no time at all to bulk up to 185, all muscle. It took YEARS from there to work up to 195-200ish though, all the harder since I didn't take roids, or supplements for more than a few months and stopped. And I find it next to impossible to bulk up more naturally, it takes heavy lifting and good eatin just to stay around the 200 mark or I lose a lot. This is just personal experience though.

yea but also, depending on person to person, males usually fill out around ages 18-21 so that would be right after high school, maybe that's why you put on the weight and now have trouble changing.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:39 AM   #19 (permalink)
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People are generally defensive of athletes. I was saying the sane thing inntge discussion thread. Many inside sources state that many fighters cycle, and sometimes are encouraged to do so. Mir, IMO is juicing undoubtedly. That's just an unnatural size gain in that short of a time. Gaining that much muscle is ridiculous enough, then doing this while also training MMA. His body shouldvr been destroyed, unless you are of course taking a muscle rehabilitator....aka roids.

All this steroids body stuff is nonsense as well. Clemens, Barnett, Gatlin, etc didn't have WWE bodies because they didn't bodybuild. They were just big as shit. And in Barnett's case, not even.
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Even though you have a disclaimer, I'm still pretty sure this thread is all troll like.
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