Originally Posted by Roflcopter
People are generally defensive of athletes. I was saying the sane thing inntge discussion thread. Many inside sources state that many fighters cycle, and sometimes are encouraged to do so. Mir, IMO is juicing undoubtedly. That's just an unnatural size gain in that short of a time. Gaining that much muscle is ridiculous enough, then doing this while also training MMA. His body shouldvr been destroyed, unless you are of course taking a muscle rehabilitator....aka roids.
All this steroids body stuff is nonsense as well. Clemens, Barnett, Gatlin, etc didn't have WWE bodies because they didn't bodybuild. They were just big as shit. And in Barnett's case, not even.
That's actually a very good point, how hard it is to put on muscle while doing full time MMA training. I remember losing a good deal of muscle when I did a full fight camp like 2.5 hours every day for two months, intense non-stop. I was eating about the best I ever ate, but man your body feels like death after every day of that ... I can't imagine PUTTING ON muscle with that kind of wear, it's hard enough to even maintain what you built up. And I doubt what I did was a quarter as intense as what an elite full time UFC fighter does. Of course that was the first and only time I did the full time thing, so maybe it gets easier on your body over the years once the shock is gone, but still. Overworking destroys muscle unless you have muscle regenerative roids, and these guys overwork like it's their job. Which it is.
The absolute maximum I've ever heard of natural lean muscle gain is about 3-4 lbs a month, and Mir hit that uppermost limit, while doing a full time fight camp. In fact it looks like he shed some fat, he no longer had the love handles and slight belly that he showed in the Lesnar fight, so it might actually be > 20 lbs of muscle. The only clean explanation is that Mir wasn't using Creatine before and just started, which can add on an initial 10-15 pounds of water retention weight ... not true strength or lean muscle, but definitely a quick amount of muscly looking bulk in a short amount of time.
And yeah I agree that not having the roid body doesn't mean you're not on it. But HAVING a roid body usually does ... I think it's naive to even think that this kinda thing
is natural or normal, an old guy with an oddly mismatched head and overvascular body.
The reason I gave Mir the benefit of the doubt is that people do get very touchy and emotionally invested in their favorite fighters, so it's usually a long tiring flame war for questioning it without solid proof, and the fact that Creatine could be a factor. But mighty suspicious nonetheless.