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Old 12-14-2009, 02:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Lets sort of settle this right now, cuz its old and i think alot of people dont get it....

Let me break it down for you, Maynard, Edgar, whoever, bring Fitch down from 170 or let him stay at 170 and bring KOS and watch them get beat too...

People need to realize a couple things about Dana White he is a promoter 1st not a businessman, but e does know fighters, BJ, FINALLY is dialed in so go get Faber Brown and Aldo and watch him systematically smash each of them, I think the Daughter in his life is something that adds to his motivation now and TBF....he's not to be phucked with at 155......some 170lb guys could fight him and stay at 170 and still he would beat them....


Enjoy it, you may never see a guy as good at his weight again....


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AGREED and repped.

For fighting's sake though he needs someone. I think it should go like this;
Edgar, Maynard than KenFlo II...personally I would rather see Aoki and Alvarez come over from Japan because I really don't think anyone is in the same world as BJ.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:06 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why people want to bring Aoki over to fight BJ.

The only thing, the absolutely only thing that Aoki has that will be of any use to him in a fight with BJ is his BJJ. That's it. Aoki will not be able to take Penn down, not even close, his striking is far, far behind Penn and he's not a very big guy, so he will be thrown around everywhere if BJ wished. Also, if by luck, if my some amazing work of God he actually does get BJ down, BJ is a very skilled guy when it comes to BJJ, as we all know.

Terrible, terrible fight for Aoki.

As far as this thread goes, at this point it's somewhat up in the air about who should/will get the next shot. I think Edgar and and Maynard would both be decent choices, however, I would like to see a rematch with Kenny.

Why a rematch with Kenny you might ask? Well, I want to see him get beat up again, and I also believe he is the #2 LW fighter in the world, skill wise, not ranking wise.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why people want to bring Aoki over to fight BJ.
He is ranked #2 LW in the world by many circles and I think its safe to say that BJ has/will continue to clean out the UFC LW division. I too would like to see a rematch with Kenny Florian who I think is second only to BJ in the UFC at 155. BJ owns 155 and just to make it crystal clear, why not bring in the so called top ranked fighters from around the world. Not only is it a bad match up for Aoki, I think its a bad match up for anyone at 155.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:40 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I think Thomson or Alvarez would actually present the biggest challenges to Bj at the moment at lw. Thomson is a very dynamic striker with good timing and would not be intimidated by Bj, I dont see him running from Bj like Kenny did. The same goes for Alvarez, he would not have a problem going toe to toe with Bj. I dont think either of them would be able to beat him, but they have the best chance at lightweight. Aoki would get murdered quickly. Aoki has flashy bjj, but its not world champion level like Bj's. Aoki wanted no part of the ground game against Shaolin. Unfortunately for Aoki, Bj probably has the best hands at lightweight and maybe the second best in mma. That would leave Aoki with zero options in that fight. Terrible match up and wouldnt make it out of the first round. Bring in Thomson, Alvarez, or even Hellboy (I dont think he would actually come to the UFC though).
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Yeah, Bj would murder Aoki. I want to see Edgar vs Bj, personally. Gray is a boring fighter, and his stand up is really bad... Edgar has really crisp boxing, good footwork, good head movement, and good wrestling as well.

If Bj took Edgar down, though, it'd be over pretty quick I imagine.
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He is ranked #2 LW in the world by many circles and I think its safe to say that BJ has/will continue to clean out the UFC LW division. I too would like to see a rematch with Kenny Florian who I think is second only to BJ in the UFC at 155. BJ owns 155 and just to make it crystal clear, why not bring in the so called top ranked fighters from around the world. Not only is it a bad match up for Aoki, I think its a bad match up for anyone at 155.
What skills does Aoki have that he can beat BJ with? His striking is bad, lower than most UFC LW fighters, his wrestling is not good, his takedowns are not good, his chin isn't exactly tested, especailly when you have BJ testing it. His BJJ is the only tool he has to do anything to BJ, and even then BJ is BJJ black belt champion, he isn't going to submit BJ, that's IF BJ doesn't knock him silly before it even goes to the ground.

My point is, yes, Aoki is a solid fighter and yes, it would be interesting, but at the same time there are guys in the UFC right now who pose more of a threat to BJ than Aoki does, so why go all the way to Japan to pick up Aoki when he poses a smaller threat than many guys in the UFC LW division?
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:38 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why people want to bring Aoki over to fight BJ.

The only thing, the absolutely only thing that Aoki has that will be of any use to him in a fight with BJ is his BJJ. That's it. Aoki will not be able to take Penn down, not even close, his striking is far, far behind Penn and he's not a very big guy, so he will be thrown around everywhere if BJ wished. Also, if by luck, if my some amazing work of God he actually does get BJ down, BJ is a very skilled guy when it comes to BJJ, as we all know.

Terrible, terrible fight for Aoki.

As far as this thread goes, at this point it's somewhat up in the air about who should/will get the next shot. I think Edgar and and Maynard would both be decent choices, however, I would like to see a rematch with Kenny.

Why a rematch with Kenny you might ask? Well, I want to see him get beat up again, and I also believe he is the #2 LW fighter in the world, skill wise, not ranking wise.
Great post, I completely agree with what you said about bringing Aoki over. As good as Shinya is on the ground thats about all he has, no one dimensional fighters are beating the best lightweight in the world.
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Yeah, Bj would murder Aoki. I want to see Edgar vs Bj, personally. Gray is a boring fighter, and his stand up is really bad... Edgar has really crisp boxing, good footwork, good head movement, and good wrestling as well.

If Bj took Edgar down, though, it'd be over pretty quick I imagine.
Not only do I see Maynard as a better fit opponent to challenge BJ but he also holds a victory over Edgar. For this reason alone I think Gray should be next in line if he gets past Nate.

Do I think he could beat BJ? At this point, probably not...but Penn will have to defend the belt eventually so opponents will be needed.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:33 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Although I'd love to see Penn whoop Aoki, I have a feeling it would look similar to Silva vs Leites...

Penn tries to engage. Aoki runs away, flops and does butt scoot. {rinse and repeat} UD victory for Penn.
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Personally, If Aoki was in the UFC and he faced off against the lightweight contenders:
Tyson Griffen, Frankie Edgar, Gray Maynard, Kenny Florian, Sean Sherk and Diego Sanchez

I'd be surprised if he can win 4/6 of these fights. This isn't really a knack on him. Because frankly i don't think anyone in the world could beat 4/6 of these guys except for penn. Even if these contenders fought each other, I'm not sure any of them could get 4 wins.

Thats how far apart Penn is from the rest of the lightweight competitors.

That being said, if BJ beats gray and frankie, they should bring aoki, thomson and alvarez over just because BJ's cleared the competition. But it would be a big upset if anyone can beat bj in the next year or two.
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