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post #11 of 35 (permalink) Old 12-31-2006, 04:58 AM
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I don't think it was fixed at all. Yes, Liddell did seem hesitant, but I'll be honest: I was glad he was. It showed that he recognized that he needed to pick his punches and not gas out early. Tito has incredible conditioning, and Tito is a 220 pound guy who fights for a living (Meaning even if he isn't the greatest striker, he can hurt you if you're not careful).

Say Liddell were to take every pot shot he could - Maybe he could've ended the fight much sooner. But, there's always the distinct possibility that he doesn't end the fight and wears himself out. What's the need to risk burning out when Liddell knows his standup is leagues ahead of Tito's? I thought Liddell fought a very strategic fight: He picked his shots well, didn't waste too much energy, and knew that eventually he'd catch him.
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This fight was not fixed. I was rooting for Tito Ortiz hard but Chuck just beat his ass. Did he drag the fight out? Prolly. The bottom line is that Chuck beat the **** out of Tito. Congrats.

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This fight was not fixed. I was rooting for Tito Ortiz hard but Chuck just beat his ass. Did he drag the fight out? Prolly. The bottom line is that Chuck beat the **** out of Tito. Congrats.
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I don't think it was fixed at all. Yes, Liddell did seem hesitant, but I'll be honest: I was glad he was. It showed that he recognized that he needed to pick his punches and not gas out early. Tito has incredible conditioning, and Tito is a 220 pound guy who fights for a living (Meaning even if he isn't the greatest striker, he can hurt you if you're not careful).

Say Liddell were to take every pot shot he could - Maybe he could've ended the fight much sooner. But, there's always the distinct possibility that he doesn't end the fight and wears himself out. What's the need to risk burning out when Liddell knows his standup is leagues ahead of Tito's? I thought Liddell fought a very strategic fight: He picked his shots well, didn't waste too much energy, and knew that eventually he'd catch him.
I agree. When he was throwing all of those bombs in the first round it took him awhile to regain his composure but when he did he realized that he didn't need to take any unnecessary risks because Tito was gonna be in front of him all night.

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Either that...or his "game plan" went out the window when he stepped in there, and felt the power when he got punched in the face.
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Tito had his back at one point too and let him up. How the hell does that happen after training 11 months at Big BeaR? Yes i do too think the upper card fights are somewhat pressured by Dana to throw fights
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I agree. Many times Chuck could have pounced and landed some good shots, but he just stepped back. It was nice to see him give Tito all the opportunity he could. I thought it was a good fight, but in now way was it fixed. If it was fixed, Tito would have never landed a punch, or kick. He prob would have tried to shoot endlessly until Chuck connected.
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These stupid ****ing conspiracy theorys regarding the UFC upper card fights being fixed is a crock of shit. Yes the Liddell/Ortiz fight might have been stopped at the wrong place, but honestly, what the hell was Ortiz going to do?? He was covering up and not attempting to really get out of it, so had it went any longer, then Liddell would have just kept teeing off until he got the clean punch. I think the reason Liddell was cautious and didn't put him away was that he didn't want to let Ortiz take the fight to the ground. He is smarter than that and he did nothing but talk about knocking Ortiz out, so he picked his shots carefully. Damn, if the fight lasts 10 seconds people ***** about it not being worth the money, and if it goes into the third round with some hard fighting from the two competitors, people think it was fixed.
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Tito had his back at one point too and let him up. How the hell does that happen after training 11 months at Big BeaR? Yes i do too think the upper card fights are somewhat pressured by Dana to throw fights

Training up in Big Bear for 11 months doesn't mean that he is now an MMA God. Liddell got out of it just like Couture always said that it was extremely hard for him to keep Liddell on the ground because everytime he put him on the mat, Liddell would power out of it and get back to his feet. Ortiz is not better on the ground than Randy Couture so (although he was at BIG BEAR, so he must be unstoppable now) it is very possible that Liddell broke free or Ortiz made a mistake and that the fight wasn't fixed!!
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No doubt in my mind that Liddell toyed with Ortiz last night. Liddell stepped back and waited for Ortiz to show his chin. Liddell would've waited all night for the big knockout punch. Ortiz was borderline horrible and even though he's 31 I don't know how or when he will get past someone like Liddell. Maybe his plan is to wait until Liddell retires?
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I agree that Liddell was hesitant in the first round. He probably could have finished Tito in opening round. What some people are calling intentional hesitation was really smart fighting. Liddell knew Tito was dangerous so he backed off until he [Tito] was injured enough to be finished.
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