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JDS is fighting Yvel at 108, Nog is fighting Cain at 110. Therefore Carwin/Mir makes perfect sense. Not a business decision just a scheduling decision. 5 of the 6 fighters could be fighting for the interim belt in theory, all IMO are worthy of the shot and this setup in the next 4 PPV's helps sort out some of the HWs.
So what? It's a title fight and it shouldn't just be based on who's got time that night. In my opinion Mir moved down the pecking order after the loss against Brock and is pretty much the last person to deserve another title match. He looked great in his rebound fight, but a single win over a guy who is also coming off a loss shouldn't earn you a title match.




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So what? It's a title fight and it shouldn't just be based on who's got time that night. In my opinion Mir moved down the pecking order after the loss against Brock and is pretty much the last person to deserve another title match. He looked great in his rebound fight, but a single win over a guy who is also coming off a loss shouldn't earn you a title match.
Randy Couture earnt a title shot after coming out of retirement after a loss to Chuck Liddell. I'm being a bit cynical here - I love Randy and he was awesome against Sylvia - but according to your logic he didn't deserve a shot either. Did you apply the same logic to those circumstances?
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Now that's a fight I'd like to see, hopefully Carwin gets to fight soon after such a long hiatus!

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Randy Couture earnt a title shot after coming out of retirement after a loss to Chuck Liddell. I'm being a bit cynical here - I love Randy and he was awesome against Sylvia - but according to your logic he didn't deserve a shot either. Did you apply the same logic to those circumstances?

You do relies that when Couture got the title shot after retirement there were no good HW at the time.... Brock didn't make a name for himself yet, Cain didn't or Shane Carwin OR JDS... And if im not mistaken wasn't he DEFENDING his title when he came out of retirement not OFFERED a title shot.... U should know ur facts....

I think this whole interm thing giving Frank Mir a another interm shot is retarded.... I don't care if Cain Vel has a fight planed, that just means they should have Shane fight Mir and Cain fight Nog and those winners fight for the interm or something... How can Cain Velasquez having NEVER lost yet, beats Kongo and then Ben Rothwell his last to fights STILL doesn't get offered Cain for whatever reason then offers Mir it? If the reason is because they didn't know when Brock would be back so they keep Shane on hold and give Cain fights that he only wants so he can get s title shot? The whole thing doesn't make since, and plus why would we want to see a Brock/Mir AGAIN.... I hope this doesn't give the winner a interm belt even Mir saying how stupid those are, and how it just confuses people...
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Randy Couture earnt a title shot after coming out of retirement after a loss to Chuck Liddell. I'm being a bit cynical here - I love Randy and he was awesome against Sylvia - but according to your logic he didn't deserve a shot either. Did you apply the same logic to those circumstances?
Umm... yes! Nothing against Randy, but he didn't really deserve some of the title shots he got.




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wow, I love both these fighters, I had either of them capable of getting the belt away from brock, but i like mir a bit more. However, in carwin he's dealing with a big wrestler who's also a bjj purple belt (i think), outside of the ufc carwin has plenty subs, not that i think he will sub mir, but i do think if he gets it on the ground he'll be much harder for mir to sub, and if he gets on top, it could be the end of mir's night especially with his GnP. now standing we know carwin has raw power, but mir seems to have picked up a good stand up game, so I don't know who to give the edge to there. it will be a very intresting match up, and i'm seriously thinking of taking the trip to the US to watch it. who ever wins i'll be happy and sad at the same time
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This works out well for Brock.

He's done nothing but pound on Mir in their two fights but Carwin actually poses a threat to beat Brock on the feet and KO him... however I feel Mir is a better striker than Carwin and on the ground and is a bad matchup for Carwin.

Suffice to say, Brock will probably luck out and get Mir again.
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This works out well for Brock.

He's done nothing but pound on Mir in their two fights but Carwin actually poses a threat to beat Brock on the feet and KO him... however I feel Mir is a better striker than Carwin and on the ground and is a bad matchup for Carwin.

Suffice to say, Brock will probably luck out and get Mir again.

I totally agree i just don't see Frank knocking Shane out like i see Shane knocking Frank out... But then again i didn't see Kongo getting knocked down from his punches ether, so i have no clue what ether fighter will bring to the table, i have some faith in Shanes wrestling but i never saw he wrestling against someone as good on the ground as Mir, should be interesting i just hope this fight doesnt give a Interm belt
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No way in hell does Mir deserve a title shot at this point in time, Kongo wasn't exactly at the top of the ladder coming into that fight. Dos Santos and Cain are both infinitely more deserving, not to mention Nogueira beat Randy Couture after losing his title so his 1 win after losing the belt is at least as impressive as Mir's imo, I just don't understand why the UFC wants to give Mir the shot here, it's completely outta nowhere.


As for the fight if it happened, I see Mir getting KO'd. Mir's chin has never been stellar and Carwin's hands are just completely devastating, it's only going to take 1 shot to kock Mir out and I don't see Mir getting this fight to the ground.

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