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post #31 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 12:01 PM
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Out of the 3 up and comers Cain, JDS and Carwin, Carwin is the LEAST deserving of a title shot, his only top 20 win wasnt that impressive compared to Cain dismantling Kongo and Rothwell or JDS flash KOing Werdum and stopping Cro Cop (not that impressive tbh but he did finish it).

Carwin got his nose smashed and taken down and altho the power is very impressive i dont think his standup is, Mirs is better. On the ground Mir will be looking to prove he can handle a bigger man and it would give him confidence if he fought Brock in the future, which seems likely. Only thing is, Shane is no Brock, Brock relies on his wrestling all the time and it dominates, Shane doesnt do that as often and isnt nearly as fast or explosive with the TDs. Speed is the biggest difference between Shane and Brock and despite what ppl say that Brock is "just big" it's the speed that kills you 1st, then the size.

I think alot of the reasoning behind Carwins push is age, he doesnt have long and JDS and Cain will both be around for quite awhile imo. I dont think marketability is the reason behind this push, Cain is prob more marketable, it has alot to do with age and ppl wanted Brock to face a guy his own size and Carwin is one of the only guys that fits the bill (Mir does now too imo). So they promised Shane this undeserved title shot based on age and him matching up physically to Brock but since Brock pulled out and everybody else is busy i guess this makes sense.

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Brock : PLEASE forfeit your title, and come back as a contender later. These guys are too good to just jump back in against the absolute best guy, especially with the combination of his little experience, and coming off near-death.
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Why is it such a big deal if the winner gets awarded the interim belt? Its not the REAL belt. All they're really getting is a guaranteed shot at the belt when Brock gets back. Should Brock not make a speedy return they will be forced to defend their title shot to Nog or Cain. As far as I'm concerned, nobody right now really deserves the title in these upcoming fights but if there's going to be an interim belt they might as well make it convenient for their fight schedule.
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I like the fight. I'm backing Mir to get the win as well. I think his stand-up and boxing is far better than Carwins although Carwin probably has the edge in power (though with Mir's extra 20lbs of weight, striking training and strength + conditioning programme there's every chance he could be as powerful) and I don't see Carwin hanging with Mir on the ground, if it goes there. He won't be able to do a Brock and dominate Mir, and would probably end up getting subbed. Outside punchers chance I don't see how Carwin can win. Mir's far more skilled AFAIC.

If it is held at UFC 111 that's shaping up to be a stacked card, with GSP vs Dan Hardy already as good as confirmed for the event. There's talk of Thiago Alves fighting at this event as well, I like. Really excited for UFC 110 and 111, definitely make up for the fairly weak 108 and 109 cards.

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Why is it such a big deal if the winner gets awarded the interim belt? Its not the REAL belt. All they're really getting is a guaranteed shot at the belt when Brock gets back. Should Brock not make a speedy return they will be forced to defend their title shot to Nog or Cain. As far as I'm concerned, nobody right now really deserves the title in these upcoming fights but if there's going to be an interim belt they might as well make it convenient for their fight schedule.
You give a lot of reasons to not bother with an interim title. Why make it more complicated than it needs to be? Winner gets a title shot, they are not a champion.

I guess they just love setting up the Undisputed Championship PPVs. In MY opinion, it just dilutes the roster, and the product, to have interim champions when a guy is out for this long.

If Brock is coming back soon enough to not forfeit the title, then why is there an Interim champion? It makes NO sense.

If Brock is out for so long that we need an interim champion, then he should forfeit the title, like Mir had to.

Why don't we just make an Interim MW champ when Anderson wants to fight LHW too?!?!?!?!

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You give a lot of reasons to not bother with an interim title. Why make it more complicated than it needs to be? Winner gets a title shot, they are not a champion.

I guess they just love setting up the Undisputed Championship PPVs. In MY opinion, it just dilutes the roster, and the product, to have interim champions when a guy is out for this long.

If Brock is coming back soon enough to not forfeit the title, then why is there an Interim champion? It makes NO sense.

If Brock is out for so long that we need an interim champion, then he should forfeit the title, like Mir had to.

Why don't we just make an Interim MW champ when Anderson wants to fight LHW too?!?!?!?!

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In my opinion it is all about PPV numbers. They want to keep the real champ as a champion so when they come back, they have the 2 champs fight. Those are very popular ppv events.

But in the meantime they need to keep cards exciting. Most casual fans do not like the idea of watching a UFC ppv that has no title fight on the card. So the interim championship is another way to appeal to other fans.

That is just my opinion and I could be wrong. I just think that it makes sense, and is a possibility.


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Mir does not deserve a shot at the interim title IMO.
Agreed. If anything, I think their should be a Nog v. Mir II and a Carwin v. Cain match with the winner of both fighting for an interim.


But that probably wouldn't draw in any money for the UFC, so they'll never do it. Heh.
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Agreed. If anything, I think their should be a Nog v. Mir II and a Carwin v. Cain match with the winner of both fighting for an interim.


But that probably wouldn't draw in any money for the UFC, so they'll never do it. Heh.
I don't see what the difference is really dude. All four men are going to get to fight anyways barring injury. Brock's more than likely going to be out till the later half of 2010.

Mir vs Carwin will fight. Then the winner (I'm betting Mir), will defend his interim title against the winner of Nog vs Cain. Hopefully by that time Brock should be coming back and take on which of these 4 men is the current interim champ.
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O.K. Im jumping the line i say no interim either top contender or brock gives the belt up and theres a shoot out for it. TUF style lol Hey then we will see the real TUF HW
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Lol at the whole (Insert UFC HW Here) doesn't deserve the title shot or interim title shot. Randy, Brock, Nog, and Mir all didn't deserve their title shots prior to this. It's nothing new people. It's all business. And that's the way its gonna be.
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