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post #41 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 03:49 PM
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Yeah very true i just hate that they are not making a choice right now...i know it all depends on brock but hey the show has to go on...
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O.K. Im jumping the line i say no interim either top contender or brock gives the belt up and theres a shoot out for it. TUF style lol Hey then we will see the real TUF HW

As cool as this would be, it won't happen. The UFC will just have whoever would have fought for the interim belt fight fight for the actual belt.

I don't think it makes a difference. Whether they win an interim or the real title that was forfeited, it won't be legitiment if they haven't beaten the actual champion. Technically speaking they would be the champ, but on a moral level, I think they would have to beat the real champion.
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post #43 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 03:53 PM
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i know what your saying and agree...somewhat i guess im to wishy washy i want to agree with both sides i keep goin back and forth theres too many "what if's"
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Mir had recently found himself among the heavyweight division's second-tier of fighters, but an impressive win over French kickboxer Cheick Kongo left an impression in many fans' minds.
According to who? If tier 1 fighter loses against another tier 1 fighter he doesn't drop down to tier 2 instantly. Mir was still top 5 HW in the world even after losing to Lesnar, just sadly for him in mma match there can only be 1 winner.
To me his position in HW ranking remained exactly same, he was #3 (Fedor being #1 and Brock being #2) after beating Nog and losing to Brock, and Kongo win didn't really make him pass anyone.
Rankings and title shots however don't go hand to hand though like I said on another topic (for a good reason), if we went with "you need to be #2 in division to fight #1" we would have GSP fighting fitch on and on and once in a while fitch would defend his #2 position.
Basically though I wouldn't mind Mir fighting Silva next (which is what Silva wanted too) or something, because I want to see Brock vs. Carwin fight before Mir vs. Lesnar III, other than Carwin and Silva there really isn't anyone worth mentioning free to fight Mir as Nog, JDS and Cain are all booked for different fights.
Then again, Mir vs. GG could be awesome fight. 2 Huge bjj blackbelts with underrated yet devastating stand up. We could see more of Mir's improved boxing on that fight or even an epic ground war bitween 2 of the best "mma grapplers" in business. I use the term "mma grappler", because while there are people with better jitsu credentials around in ufc, I can't think of too many guys who have converted their pure jitsu skills so well into mma.

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post #45 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 04:18 PM
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Simple as this, Mir is a top 3 heayweight in the UFC, I see no reason for complaining. I think Lesnar is gonna end up being stripped, and having to fight once or twice before getting another title shot.
I wouldn't pick anyone besides Lesnar over Mir, so have him fighting for the title should not be a problem. Plus you got your next two title defenses already in line, with the winnner of Nog/Cain, and JDS
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post #46 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 07:24 PM
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How does Mir get a shot at the interim tile. He choked out Kongo, what an accomplishment. A six year old girl could choke kongo out. Why doesn't Velasquez get the shot, last time I checked he murdered Kongo and Rothwell and would murder Mir. I don't get how Mir is such a good fighter, the only reason he beat Nog was because Nog had a staph infection and he got lucky against Lesnar in there first fight. Mir is an average fighter who has a good guard and who will lose to carwin.
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post #47 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 07:31 PM
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NEEDLESS confusion. Interims cause misunderstandings with the fans, in the stats, and it dilutes the history books.

If they did the 4 man tourney, and THEN the winner was the Interim Champ, then that makes 100% sense with me. But to have Carwin and Mir fight for the interim title, when the other guys are arguably more deserving at owning the initial belt.

Ahhhhh It's just lame.

My first choice would be the obvious one: Brock should forfeit the title for now, just like Frank had to himself. Then come back under WAY less pressure, instead of dragging out what could be inevitable, him being stripped of the title anyway.
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Originally Posted by AceFranklin88 View Post
Lol at the whole (Insert UFC HW Here) doesn't deserve the title shot or interim title shot. Randy, Brock, Nog, and Mir all didn't deserve their title shots prior to this. It's nothing new people. It's all business. And that's the way its gonna be.
In response to Shevy, again, NOBODY IS EVER DESERVING AT HW ANYMORE.
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I don't like Mir but I think he beats Carwin 4 out of 5 times.
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post #50 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 08:46 PM
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I think Mir takes by Submission. I don't really care for Mir but I really think Carwin is over rated. I will eat my words if he beats Mir. But I don't think he will. Then Mir vs Nog and Mir wins and then Brock comes back and destroys Mir again.
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