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post #51 of 109 (permalink) Old 12-16-2009, 09:56 PM
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How does Mir get a shot at the interim tile. He choked out Kongo, what an accomplishment. A six year old girl could choke kongo out. Why doesn't Velasquez get the shot, last time I checked he murdered Kongo and Rothwell and would murder Mir. I don't get how Mir is such a good fighter, the only reason he beat Nog was because Nog had a staph infection and he got lucky against Lesnar in there first fight. Mir is an average fighter who has a good guard and who will lose to carwin.
Wow, both your logic AND memory fails here. First off Cain grinded a decision against Kongo in a fight that was far from "murdering". Cain couldn't finish Kongo in 15 mins (even though according to you a six year old girl could) while Mir wrecked him in bit over 1 minute.

I have been defending Cain at HW for a while and I like his fights, but your post itself bothered me as it was so illogical. I however agree that Cain should be remembered when Dana starts handing out title shots, but like I said earlier in this topic he is tied to a different fight already while both Mir and Carwin are "free" to fight each other. Carwin was supposed to fight Brock already though so its kinda unfair to have him fight Mir and possibly lose that earned shot, but if Brock is out longer than expected there is no reason to have Carwin wait for him and I doubt he wants to do that either.

Also, as much as I like Cain and have defended his spot in top 10 HW rankings, I don't think he has the tools to beat Mir. Mir has about 30 pound advantage against him, better stand up and better jitsu. It would be a huge surprise if Cain managed to beat Mir.

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Velasquez "grinded" a victory against Kongo. I guess if being in full mount for most the fight is grinning out a victory I guess GSP doesn't dominant the fights he wins. Also what gives Mir the tools to win. Mir never should of beat Lesnar in either fight, because of the terrible ref call and the caught Lesnar with a rookie mistake, and only beat nog because nog had a staph infection and he shouldn't of been fighting. Beating Antoni Hardonk means nothing so I'm curious in what makes Mir so great. He beat Kongo and that gives him the interim title shot after being massacred in his last fight? I know the HW divsion is weak but come on.
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Velasquez "grinded" a victory against Kongo. I guess if being in full mount for most the fight is grinning out a victory I guess GSP doesn't dominant the fights he wins. Also what gives Mir the tools to win. Mir never should of beat Lesnar in either fight, because of the terrible ref call and the caught Lesnar with a rookie mistake, and only beat nog because nog had a staph infection and he shouldn't of been fighting. Beating Antoni Hardonk means nothing so I'm curious in what makes Mir so great. He beat Kongo and that gives him the interim title shot after being massacred in his last fight? I know the HW divsion is weak but come on.
Yea and GSP doesn't get rocked at the beginning of every round...
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And here are the two guys who are jealous of Brock Lesnar going against each other...lulz. I hope for a no contest.
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Velasquez "grinded" a victory against Kongo. I guess if being in full mount for most the fight is grinning out a victory
Oh to me it was impressive enough win, but you said Mir finishing Kongo so easily wasn't impressive at all, yet you said Cain "murdered" Kongo by going to decision with him. Bit illogical don't you think?


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Also what gives Mir the tools to win.
Think I went trough them already, but I'll repeat; Mir has way better stand up than Cain and has arguably better ground game. Ok Cain has better wrestling, but Cain isn't even a brown belt at jitsu and Mir's jitsu is one of the best in business.
Also as Cain doesn't have the size of Lesnar and as Mir actually has the weight advantage against him. Basically I doubt Cain can control Mir on ground at all if he even chooses to go there. Basically Mir can finish Cain both standing and on ground, Cain can pretty much do neither.

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Mir never should of beat Lesnar in either fight, because of the terrible ref call and the caught Lesnar with a rookie mistake
The ref call didn't really help either. Brock was about to get armbarred as they got stood up. Rewatch the fight and you'll see it. Either way the punches were illegal so there is no point to whine about them. Also I don't like the "if game". Im sure many fights would have been different IF
someone hadn't been caught with a punch, kick or submission, but that is the reality and unpredictability of mixed martial arts.

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only beat nog because nog had a staph infection and he shouldn't of been fighting
Nog got destroyed so badly that staph or not I don't think the outcome of the fight had been different. Nog has always had a "punchdrunk" stand up and he got tagged just as well by Herring and Sylvia who both came very close to finishing him. Infact quite a few of Nog's win have been miracle subs that were set up by people dropping him then jumping into his guard trying to finish him.
Basically I got nothing but love for Nog but Mir has improved so much while Nog really hasn't changed his game or physique much at all. Nog still trains with same people he has trained for a while while Mir keeps changing his camps searching for more knowledge from different trainers. On top of that Mir is really taking the weight gaining game seriously as you can see.

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He beat Kongo and that gives him the interim title shot after being massacred in his last fight?
Again as much as I support Cain his resume isn't much different than Mir's. Other than Kongo and Rothwell he has no big wins either. Mir beat Kongo more convincingly than Cain did and I dare to say Hardonk, Lesnar and Nog are way more impressive combo than that Rothwell win.

Either way the whole reason people are even suggesting Mir vs. Carwin is the fact that other contenders got matches booked already. Would there be a point to have Carwin wait even longer just so he could fight the winner of Nog vs. Cain? no. Would Carwin himself want that? Prolly not

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No way in hell does Mir deserve a title shot at this point in time, Kongo wasn't exactly at the top of the ladder coming into that fight. Dos Santos and Cain are both infinitely more deserving, not to mention Nogueira beat Randy Couture after losing his title so his 1 win after losing the belt is at least as impressive as Mir's imo, I just don't understand why the UFC wants to give Mir the shot here, it's completely outta nowhere.


As for the fight if it happened, I see Mir getting KO'd. Mir's chin has never been stellar and Carwin's hands are just completely devastating, it's only going to take 1 shot to kock Mir out and I don't see Mir getting this fight to the ground.

I don't know how you guys can keep saying that Cain deserves it more than Mir,,, most of you guys are comparing alot,, well lets compare,, Cain looked like a monkey *&%*ing a football againist Kongo,, Mir knocked him down and sub'd him in a minute<<< +1 for Mir... Has Carwin fought Nog, Lesnar, etc,etc,, NO,,,,,, Mir beat Nog last year(yeh I know Nog had herpes or what ever you guys use as a excuse ),,, Dos Santos beat a broke down Mirko Crocop his last fight,, so I don't see how some of you guys can argue about the Mir vs. Carwin,,
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who gets utterly dominated by the Champion and gets a title shot one win later?? Interim or not i just dont see how that is possible, guys are putting together win streaks, you just lost a title fight. Give some other guys a shot.
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who gets utterly dominated by the Champion and gets a title shot one win later?? Interim or not i just dont see how that is possible, guys are putting together win streaks, you just lost a title fight. Give some other guys a shot.
Your comment makes no sense,, Why would you give "other guys a shot" if they are not the best candidate,, the championship is for the BEST fighter,,, not something to give everyone a chance at just because they haven't fought for it yet,, and in my honest opinion I think Mir is the best candidate,,, If Cain hadn't have looked shitty in the Kongo fight I would have him almost as deserving as Mir,,
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As many have already stated, Mir does not yet deserve a title shot. It's nothing shocking, of course, as you have BJ moving up in weight to fight GSP for the title, you have Randy moving up to fight for the title (after he "retired"), etc. It's still annoying, though.

With that said, this will be a good fight for sure, and I am excited to see it.
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IMO the thing is the UFC probably realize that with brock out, Mir is pretty much top dog in the ufc, especially in terms of experience. If they do this interim title, and mir wins it, im sure the winner of nog/cain and JDS will eventually have their shots at him, and if they win then we know mir didnt deserve the shot. IMO if he is a clearcut top contender (which he is, especially with brock out) he deserves it just as much as anyone else

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