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Old 12-20-2009, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If Penn, GSP, and Silva retired tomorrow?

Just for new conversation and hypothetical fun, I'm curious.

If BJ Penn, GSP, and Anderson Silva retired tomorrow, do you think their respective divisions would be ultra competitive with the title consistently changing hands like the LHW, or do you think someone would step up to take their place as the unbeatable champ? Lets say for now, this is with the current roster.

For me,
LW... I honestly think Kenflo would dominate this division, taking BJ's spot in his absence. I personally think he will stop Deigo in their inevitable rematch, and I can't see anyone else that would beat him.

WW... this would be fun because I think it would go the way of the LHW. I could see several guys here that could hold this belt, gaining it, dropping it, and probably gaining it again on a regular basis. Kos, Alves, Fitch, Daley, among others.

MW... I think with Henderson gone, it's going to be a long time before Nate Marquardt loses another fight.

Anyway, so that's my take. What's yours?
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmm, very interesting topic. I feel that for every division it would be competitive, LW has kenflo, sanchez, stevenson, edgar, guida

Then theres WW with a long list of contenders to be honest. I think Kos would actually hold it for a bit, only to lose a few defences down the line.

As for MW, I agree with the just Marquardt holding it for a while. I would have said Hendo but no more hendo hehe.
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at WW and especially MW I agree with you (Nate is a man beast), but at LW I'd have to see Kenflo fight the bully, actually there's lots of talent at LW the belt might not change at every defence, but it would move around
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I would have said Hendo but no more hendo hehe.
I reckon Hendo will make a come back and win the belt. Then finally, get all that money that he wanted from the ufc!.
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at WW and especially MW I agree with you (Nate is a man beast), but at LW I'd have to see Kenflo fight the bully, actually there's lots of talent at LW the belt might not change at every defence, but it would move around
No doubt, personally Maynard bores me a lot, but you can't dney the effectiveness of his tactics. He would definitely be the wrench thrown in Kenny's machine, or any LW champ for that matter.
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I agree with you on Florian getting the LW Belt and keeping that for a long time. With Diego being his only real big competition.

MW, I think Marquart will keep the belt for a long time. The guys way to well rounded for anyone besides Anderson to beat him.

WW, I think Alves keep hold the belt for a long time.
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I agree with you on Florian getting the LW Belt and keeping that for a long time. With Diego being his only real big competition.

MW, I think Marquart will keep the belt for a long time. The guys way to well rounded for anyone besides Anderson to beat him.

WW, I think Alves keep hold the belt for a long time.
I agree with you ww prediction, but I think Belfort will be able to KO Nate. If Thales Leites can catch Nate, Belfort will be able to catch him and put him away. After that, I could see a stong wrestler like Sonnen or Okami taking the belt from Belfort and it changing hands a couple more times after that.
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I think if these three were gone, the divisions would be a lot more even and not as one sided as they currently are, nobody in there respected divisions will beat these guys for a long time, unless Vitor somehow can beat A Silva.

I think that a Vitor/Nate Marquardt fight would be sick, and I believe Nate could win that fight with his strength and wrestling ability. Also his standup isnt too bad either so I would say:

MW champ: Nate Marquardt
WW champ: Jon Fitch (even if he is super boring he is still the 2nd best fighter in this division)
LW champ: Diego Sanchez (I think he would beat up on KenFlo pretty bad to be honest)
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Well whats particualrly interesting about the LW division is match-ups:

I think Florian may be able to beat Maynard, however, I think maynard could outwrestle Diego and pull of The UD (a la Fitch). On the flip side, I do think Diego could beat Florian just by virtue of strength, wrestling and grappling.

At WW, I see Alves holding the title.

At middlewieght, while I believe the best fighter is Marquardt, unless he fought the smart fight against Vitor, he would get KO'd.
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Hmm. Interesting thread. The three fighters you named are probably some of the most interesting athletes I've seen in awhile, and are majorly responsible for myself, as well as many others for watching the sport as regularly as we do. I would even confidently say that some of those fighters are responsible for taking in a large portion of the UFC's casual fan base.

On a personal level, I would be very disappointed if the three fighters retired tomorrow. As for the divisions themselves, I'm relatively confident this is how they would end up.

Lightweight: First let me say it surprises me how many think Diego is at the top of an ultra-stacked division. He has never really defeated anyone who had a big name at the time of their loss, with the exception of Karo Pariysan, a fighter who is now long out of the sport's evolutionary loop. I think when it's come to fighting against a highly technical fighter, Diego has never been able to do much. There's no way Diego beats a guy like Florian. In my eyes, Florian is by far the second most impressive fighter in the lightweight division. Before his loss to BJ he was finishing just about every fighter they put him up against. And now after his BJ loss he's looking more impressive than ever.

Welterweight: Again, this division(in my eyes) is somewhat easy to call. Fitch may have a ton of wins under his belt in the UFC, however it's difficult to make a case that he's a stand-out MMA fighter. As soon as Fitch runs into someone who could consistently defend his takedowns, we've seen how he deals with even mediocre strikers in his last fight. Give him a guy like the fighter Alves has evolved into(someone who was capable of stuffing a couple of GSP takedowns) and I'm very confident Fitch would be outclassed. The fight would go very similar to Kos vs Alves, except I think Fitch's standup is worse than Kos'. In the WW division, in my eyes Alves is the clear #2 spot.

Middleweight: Marquardt is this division's clear #2. I think Marquardt vs Sonnen will show us just how far ahead Marquardt has gotten. I would've liked to see Marquardt versus Belfort. I think a fight like that would really showcase how versatile Marquardt is, while Sonnen against him isn't really going to show us anything we didn't already know.
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