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Old 01-04-2010, 01:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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To answer that, I think all four of those guys are overrated themselves ... none really have many impressive creds or pedigree outside of MMA (mostly small local stuff), and would get smashed by the UFC elite.
Tend to agree... and I do enjoy watching Hellboy and Alvarez fights... but tend to agree.
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Old 01-04-2010, 01:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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To answer that, I think all four of those guys are overrated themselves ... none really have many impressive creds or pedigree outside of MMA (mostly small local stuff), and would get smashed by the UFC elite.

The whole LW division hype outside the UFC thing is just elitism IMO, in general I think the MMA talent in Japan is far lower. Even during Pride, I think 80% of their rosters were full of local cans that stood no chance against the few vets that were solid and got imported by the UFC eventually (like Rampage, Nog, Shogun). After PRIDE folded, I think it's pretty low.

Aoki would get killed in the UFC, like it wouldn't even be competitive. Watch it happen to Gomi in his next fight, he is essentially the Aoki of 2 years ago. Not style wise, but hype wise.
Ok, I'll accept that. I disagree, but I accept your reasoning. If you think that they are overrated or mid tier guys, then obviously you would see Aoki as just as overrated.

I'm mainly talking to the people that rate them high, yet think Aoki would get smashed in the UFC's division.
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To answer that, I think all four of those guys are overrated themselves ... none really have many impressive creds or pedigree outside of MMA (mostly small local stuff), and would get smashed by the UFC elite.

The whole LW division hype outside the UFC thing is just elitism IMO, in general I think the MMA talent in Japan is far lower. Even during Pride, I think 80% of their rosters were full of local cans that stood no chance against the few vets that were solid and got imported by the UFC eventually (like Rampage, Nog, Shogun). After PRIDE folded, I think it's pretty low.

Aoki would get killed in the UFC, like it wouldn't even be competitive. Watch it happen to Gomi in his next fight, he is essentially the Aoki of 2 years ago. Not style wise, but hype wise.
This post is full of UFC elitism. The irony.
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Old 01-04-2010, 02:47 PM   #24 (permalink)
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One dimensional fighters will never be champions nowadays. Aoki would surely rack up a few wins in the UFC but would not be a contender in the LW division because his striking and wrestling needs a lot of work.
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One dimensional fighters will never be champions nowadays. Aoki would surely rack up a few wins in the UFC but would not be a contender in the LW division because his striking and wrestling needs a lot of work.
It is kind of hard to argue that Brock isn't one dimensional.
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It is kind of hard to argue that Brock isn't one dimensional.
Huge Brock fan here but Brock has huge athletic advantages in strength speed and size over his opponents that is a huge helper, Aoki on the other hand would be undersized and and have extreme problems getting his opponents to the ground to use his one dimension considering that the UFC LW is very heavy in the wrestling department as when Brock's one dimension is wrestling to dictate where he wants the fight to go.

Oh and IMO Brocks wrestling credentals > Aoki's bjj credentals
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Aoki would win a couple of fights, but he'd lose many more than he'd win.

The LW divison has a lot of wrestlers who have improved striking, and Aoki would get murdered by these guys. No wrestler is going to slam Aoki to the ground when he can use his wrestling to keep it standing and pick him apart on the feet.

He'd get killed be Penn, it would be worse than Sanchez, based on his terrible striking and his inability to take Penn down (there's no way in hell that happens, I'd bet my life on it).

Florian, Sanchez, etc, would also keep it standing and take him out on the feet.

Basically, there's far too many good, solid wrestlers (or people who have good TDD and other clinch skills), who have good enough striking to pick him apart, as well as guys like Sanchez, Florian, Penn, that beat him in every aspect except BJJ, and they can all keep it standing.

He's not a bad fighter, in fact, his BJJ is amazing, he's very solid at it and I'd love to see him on the ground with Penn, but his lack of wrestling and serious lack of striking would make it hard for him to get to the top of the UFC LW division.
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where is this lack of wrestling coming from? He is in Nippon Top Team and trains with Kitaoka who is a wrestler. Aoki's grappling is fine his striking is what needs so work.
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Do you really see him taking down Sanchez, Florian, Sherk, Frankie, Penn, Maynard, Tyson, etc?
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No because those guys cut to 155 and have larger frams. Aoki looks like a natural 155and has a small frame. If he comes to the US he better go down in weight.
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